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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:02 am    Post subject: Trudeau rudely snubs the Trans-Pacific Partnership. Reply with quote

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Canada's PM Justin Trudeau sabotages Trans-Pacific Partnership, shocking leaders
Lindsay Murdoch

Danang Vietnam: Canada's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has sabotaged a pact to salvage a multibillion-dollar, 11-nation Pacific Rim trade deal at the last minute, surprising leaders of the other nations, including Australia's Malcolm Turnbull.

Mr Trudeau failed to show up at a meeting late on Friday that was set to officially revive the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement that had been negotiated on the sidelines of the Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in the Vietnamese coastal city of Danang.

"There were a lot of unhappy leaders left sitting there," said an official who was in the meeting.

All 11 foreign ministers of the grouping had agreed on Thursday night to revive the agreement that was rejected by US President Donald Trump days after he took office.

Mr Turnbull has been spruiking the benefits of the TPP since arriving in Danang on Thursday, telling an APEC leaders' reception the pact "creates rules of the road to match the new economic world in which we're living".

"It aims at old hidden trade barriers like corruption and new ones like data protectionism," he said.

"It works to level the playing field for non-state companies and is designed to defend and extend the freedom to explore, share and capitalise on new ideas."

Mr Turnbull said the pact would bring together economies with a collective GDP of about $US10 trillion.

"So that is a huge market," he said.

Mr Trudeau's walk-out is deeply embarrassing for Canada's Trade Minister Franois-Philippe Champagne, who has agreed to the deal.

Officials expected that the leaders would simply rubber-stamp what had already been agreed by the trade ministers, despite the agreement being unpopular in Canada.

Australia's Trade Minister Steven Ciobo said it was disappointing the leaders' meeting had to be cancelled.

He said what the trade ministers had agreed on was a "very high quality deal, one that maintained high standards and would have seen benefits flowing to the countries".

Mr Ciobo said despite the set-back the 10 other countries will need to consider the issues raised by Canada.

But no further negotiations or meetings are planned.

The agreement negotiated over more than a year would deliver 19 new free trade agreements among the 11 countries.

For Australia the pact would open new trade agreements with Canada and Mexico and provide greater market access to Japan, Chile, Singapore, Malaysia, Vietnam and Brunei.

The countries account for almost one quarter of Australia's exports of goods and services.

Backed by Australia, Japan has lobbied hard to proceed with the pact that is seen as a way to counter China's regional dominance.

Mr Turnbull is scheduled to meet Mr Trudeau during the three-day APEC meetings.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/ca.....zj866.html


How can this be justifiable? Justin left the leaders of nations that, collectively represent $10 trillion (US) worth of economic activity. He just leaves them sitting at the table, like a bunch of punks?

For anyone who thinks Trump is diplomatically impossible -- this is way worse than anything Trump did. Why would any of these countries expend resources to work with Canada again? Or with Trudeau? Hmmmm?

TC, can even you justify such arrogance from our two-nanny PM?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its embarrassing but its largely expected at this point.
The different levels of "spin" put on what is ultimately a stunt and something that would barely be acceptable from a high school student let a lone the Prime Minister of a nation is unbelievable. In some cases its being chalked up to "Outstanding Issues"

My goodness....

Apparently there was a disagreement with Japan which prompted this outburst from the Prime Minister.

If Canada was unhappy with aspects of the agreement, even after the Trade Minister had largely agreed to the terms you pull up a seat at the big kids table an negotiate not take your crayons and make a scene.

We had Chrystia Freeland walk out on discussions with Wallonia and now this.
Its becoming a bit of a trend that dealing with us largely results in theatrics.

The Prime Minister has used NAFTA, CETA, and now the TPP to try and secure political brownie points with his parties supporters at home at the expense of the Economic Engine of the country.

At this point you have thrown Franois-Philippe Champagne under the bus,
If your Trade Minister has no credibility globally, whats the point of maintaining a Trade Minister?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He must think that Canada has more influence in the world than Japan! What does it say, merely as a diplomatic gesture, that he stood them up? Isn't it a display of Trudeau's contempt, and thus Canada's?

Look, if you could find out what he's smoking, maybe you could get some for me.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The harvest starts to come in ... Crystia Freeland flounces better than Justin, it turns out. The evidence accumulates, and yet nobody will say the words -- these guys have no plan, they're just bungling along. Rarely do we get such a public display of diplomatic distemper, but the bunglers have put us in a position that we are going to have to give Australia something to get them to let us into this organization. And that wasn't necessary. It's called being buffaloed.

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Australian official lashes out at Trudeau amid spat over Pacific trade deal
Official 'gobsmacked' by Trudeau's move to skip meeting of national leaders, Australian media reports
By John Paul Tasker, CBC News Posted: Nov 18, 2017 4:44 PM ET Last Updated: Nov 20, 2017 4:36 PM ET

A spat between Canada and Australia is heating up as Australian officials signal they will block Canada's admission to Asia's premier security forum, the East Asia Summit, amid tensions over the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal.

An Australian news report suggests that country's leadership has already rejected Canada's application to participate in the key forum because Australian trade officials were "gobsmacked" by Canada's behaviour on the sidelines of the Asia-Pacific Economic Forum (APEC) last week in Vietnam.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau skipped a planned meeting with the 10 other leaders of TPP countries while in Danang because he said Canada simply was not ready to sign a deal that is not yet in the best interest of Canadians. Liberal government officials have refuted international reports — notably from Australian and New Zealand news outlets — that suggested Canada alone was to blame for "screwed" TPP talks.

"We weren't ready to close it," Trudeau told reporters. Canada helped broker an agreement on "core principles," but held out on a final signature because of ongoing concerns, namely with chapters that relate to the trade of cars and measures to protect cultural industries.

Trudeau made a pitch for EAS membership on the last day of his eight-day swing through the region.

"Canada is deeply committed to multilateral institutions and [forums], and the East Asia Summit is an important one in an extremely compelling region of the world," Trudeau said.

The summit's 18 members must reach a consensus on whether to lift a current membership moratorium and allow Canada to join, meaning opposition from Australia could torpedo Canada's efforts.

A report in the Australian Financial Review cites a senior unnamed Australian official as saying that "EAS and APEC members are weighing up why Canada should be added to EAS following the TPP. Under Trudeau, Canada has increased its advocacy to join the EAS, but adding Canada is not on the EAS agenda."

"He pulled out of the TPP at five minutes to midnight and then rocked up at the EAS like he belonged there," the official said.

Ongoing 'irritants'

A Canadian official, speaking on background to CBC News, conceded there are ongoing "irritants" between the two countries, and Australian officials are likely lashing out at Trudeau in their national press because "they're frustrated" they did not secure Canada's signature on the TPP, a trade pact which aims to eliminate tariffs on industrial and farm products across an 11-nation bloc whose trade totalled $356 billion US last year.

Japan, the largest economy in the TPP, is eager to sign a deal that includes Canada. It already has advanced trading relations with most of the other TPP partners, including Australia.

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Trudeau speaks with Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe at the start of a bilateral meeting at the recent APEC summit. (Adrian Wyld/Canadian Press)

And yet, while Australia might seek to tie EAS membership to Trudeau's reluctance to sign on to the TPP, Canadian officials cautioned it is problematic to make a causal link between the two.

The official said Australia has long opposed Canada joining the forum — opposition that existed before the TPP showdown — claiming the addition would "water down" membership, and admit a country it perceives as having tenuous ties to the Asia-Pacific region, despite Trudeau's insistence Canada is a "Pacific nation."

"Before we even left on the trip, we were briefed that Australia might oppose our membership," the official said, adding the Aussies see the EAS as their "playground."

There is a sense that Canada already enjoys membership in other high-level forums — namely, the G7, NATO and La Francophonie — in which Australia is not a member, the official said.

Canada remains committed to EAS bid

There is a fear that adding Canada to the EAS might lessen Australia's influence at the summit — Canada would take up some of the "oxygen," an official said in describing Australian concerns — attended by some of the world's most powerful leaders, including those from China, Russia and the U.S. Australia already has to compete for attention at APEC, where Canada is also a member.

In a statement sent to CBC News, a spokesperson for Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland said Canada will push ahead with its bid for membership in the EAS and its sister body, the ASEAN Defence Ministers Meeting Plus.

"Our participation in these security [forums] would expand our engagement with ASEAN and its member states, deepening our ties with an important and growing region.‎ We remain committed to working with our international partners to promote peace and security in the Asia-Pacific region," Adam Austen said.

Erin O'Toole, the Conservative critic for foreign affairs, questioned whether Trudeau purposely sidelined our "democratic allies," like Australia, in favour of launching preliminary free trade talks with China. "The TPP talks were about counterbalancing the influence of China in Asia-Pacific. All countries were part of that when Trudeau complicated things by not showing up to the leaders meeting. Is he going to go to China in lieu of TPP?"

Despite the squabbles over TPP, a Canadian official said the personal relationship between Freeland and her Australian counterpart, Julie Bishop, is "excellent," and they enjoyed a productive bilateral meeting while at APEC.

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Canadian officials say Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland has an 'excellent' relationship with her Australian counterpart, Julie Bishop. (Lee Jin-man/AP Photo)

That official said Australians are eager to tap Canada's knowledge of the U.S. Australia is looking to protect its free-trade agreement with the U.S. amid the ascendency of "America First" protectionist rhetoric emanating from the White House.

Recent additions to the EAS — namely, the U.S. and Russia in 2011 — have altered the once-cozy dynamic of the summit, another senior official, speaking on background, told reporters while at the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) summit.

The Trudeau government has appointed an ambassador, Marie-Louise Hannan, to ASEAN countries — whose 10 members make up a majority of EAS countries — to help with its lobbying efforts.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politic.....-1.4407531
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