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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:05 pm    Post subject: The Las Vegas Shooting ... Reply with quote

This is a day of stunned wonder. Why would anyone do such a thing is the first thought that leaps to the mind. But it is too early to tell anything really. The gun control people have jumped on their soap boxes but who wants to hear that? It's not a time for politics.

This is a little different, not someone advancing an agenda. It's just somebody looking for an explanation of how and why this happened. The shooter was a retired accountant, and not noted for his political involvement, nor religiously active. He doesn't seem like a zealot in any way.

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There’s Something VERY Strange About The Las Vegas Shootings
October 2, 2017 By Calvin Freiburger

Details continue to pour in about last night’s mass shooting in Las Vegas, but for now one aspect in particular is a source of major confusion.

At National Review, David French observes that despite suspected shooter Stephen Paddock possibly using an illegal fully-automatic weapon, reportedly having an arsenal of more than ten rifles, and holing up in a rented corner room with a setup sophisticated enough to have cameras to alert him to approaching police, his relatives claim Paddock had none of the firearms interest, expertise, or military background one would expect to find in someone who went to Paddock’s lengths to prepare this attack:


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So, a person who’s “not a gun guy” has either expended untold thousands of dollars to legally purchase fully-automatic weapons, somehow found them on the black market, or purchased and substantially modified multiple semi-automatic weapons — and did so with enough competence to create a sustained rate of fire. This same person also spent substantial sums purchasing just the right hotel room to maximize casualties. I cannot think of a single other mass shooter who went to this level of expense and planning in the entire history of the United States.

And there was no real warning? His family was unaware? His brother also reported that the shooter had no meaningful political or religious affiliations. “He just hung out.” At the same time, however, there are reports that a woman told a group of concert-goers, “You’re all going to die tonight.”


The Federalist’s Sean Davis explains that contrary to the howling of knee-jerk leftist demagogues that this happened because it’s easier to buy guns than books in America, Paddock must have put in a lot of effort and expense for a guy who knows even less about guns than the Washington Post:

Under the [National Firearms Act], it is illegal for any private civilian to own any fully automatic weapons manufactured after May 19, 1986. Only registered Class 3 FFLs may make them, and then only for purchase by qualified state and federal agencies. There are no exceptions. According to the ATF’s official handbook on NFA laws and regulations, it’s not even legal to make new replacement parts for pre-1986 machine guns: “There is no exception allowing for the lawful production, transfer, possession, or use of a post-May 18, 1986 machinegun receiver as a replacement receiver on a weapon produced prior to May 19, 1986.”

So what about pre-1986 machine guns? Are civilians permitted to own those? Yes, with a host of exceptions. The pre-1986 machine guns may be sold only by a Class 3 FFL and must be registered with the ATF. Easy peasy, right? Not really. The process of registering a NFA item with the ATF is costly, invasive, and time-consuming […]

And that’s just the federal registration process. We haven’t even discussed the cost of purchasing a legal machine gun. If you can find a legal, ATF-stamped, pre-1986 machine gun for less than $10,000, then you’re a miracle worker.

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It seems that either the brother’s claims are a load of garbage, or Paddock had help. And while it’s still early, there are signs that either could be the case — it turns out that Stephen is the son of former FBI Most Wanted List alum Patrick Benjamin Paddock, and even more incredibly, ISIS claims that Paddock carried out the shooting in their name (there are conflicting reports as to whether he converted to Islam or had mental problems that sparked this).

Again, there is a lot of unclear and disturbing information to sift through about this horrifying story. TFPP will continue to follow it as it unfolds.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:34 pm    Post subject: Re: The Las Vegas Shooting ... Reply with quote

Bugs wrote:
The gun control people have jumped on their soap boxes but who wants to hear that? It's not a time for politics.



While I am not in disagreement with you , re not a time for politics, people and the President were very quick to jump when it was Muslim carnage as the fault on the 'carnage du jour in the past.

There is an optic that does not look good.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree there is something weird about this shooing , the media narrative seems to be an older white man went on a rampage with his arsenal for no apparent reason and that is a reason for there to be new gun control measures imposed on the rest of the law abiding population


however considering the state of things around the world and rise of Islamic terrorism , one has to wonder if this was in fact a terrorist attack of some sort , the evidence isn't there yet to say it was but it certainly has the look and feel of a well planned attack over a random shooting spree .

ISIS has also claimed responsibility however there claim was mostly ignored and deemed to be untrue ? but one has to wonder if there is more to this story
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

( as more evidence comes to light , its clear he had planned this attack for some time , even going as far as installing cameras in and outside the hotel room , he also sent large sums of money overseas . its bizarre to me there is no motive by now , in a digital age and social media , its hard to believe he didn't post something or leave some message explaining why ? )



Las Vegas shooter installed cameras in and out of hotel room ahead of 'premeditated' attack


By Nicole Darrah, Fox News


Police piece together Las Vegas shooter's methods, motive

Federal law enforcement officials tell Fox News that Stephen Paddock sent tens of thousands of dollars overseas in advance of the attack; Trace Gallagher has the details for 'Special Report.'

The Las Vegas mass murderer who killed dozens and injured hundreds by shooting them from 32 floors up deliberately planned out his attack, which included installing an unknown number of cameras inside and outside of his hotel room, officials said on Tuesday.



As law enforcement continued to seek a motive in the shooting and actively investigated the crime scene at the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino where 64-year-old Stephen Paddock shot down at a crowd of 22,000 people at a county music festival Sunday night, authorities said that Paddock’s actions were premeditated.


This undated photo provided by Eric Paddock shows him at left with his brother, Las Vegas gunman Stephen Paddock at right. Stephen Paddock opened fire on the Route 91 Harvest Festival on Sunday, Oct. 1, 2017, killing dozens and wounding hundreds. (Courtesy of Eric Paddock via AP)

Stephen Paddock, right, installed cameras inside and outside of his hotel room in Las Vegas ahead of his shooting spree Sunday night. (Courtesy of Eric Paddock via AP)

“This individual was premeditated… obviously premeditated,” Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo said at a news conference early Tuesday evening. “I’m pretty sure he evaluated everything he did in his actions, which is troublesome.”

LAS VEGAS SHOOTER DESCRIBED AS 'UNSTABLE' SENT TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OVERSEAS

Before his attack from his hotel room — where 23 firearms were uncovered by authorities, one of which had a "bump stock" designed to speed up gun discharge — Paddock set up a camera outside of his room on a service cart in the hallway.


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Images of two weapons used by Stephen Paddock during the Las Vegas massacre. (Fox 25 Boston)

Lombardo speculated the gunman did this to scout out if anyone was coming to take him into custody.



“I’m not aware of any transmission, but there were cameras,” Lombardo said. “There were cameras located inside of the room and outside of the room."

INSIDE LAS VEGAS SHOOTER'S MANDALAY BAY SUITE

The sheriff didn’t specify how many cameras authorities discovered in the hotel room, but noted all electronic evidence found is being investigated.

It will take “a day or two” to process the devices, but a previous FBI analysis indicated there was “no connection… at this time” to terror.

Lombardo also revealed that Paddock’s girlfriend, who was initially sought out as a suspect after the attack, is now seen as a “person of interest.”

Marilou Danley, 62, was the shooter’s live-in girlfriend. She left the U.S. before the massacre, and authorities believe she’s currently either in the Philippines or Japan.

MARILOU DANLEY: WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT LAS VEGAS GUNMAN'S COMPANION

Paddock recently sent tens of thousands of dollars “overseas,” which authorities have speculated may have been to Danley.


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Marilou Danley, 62, was a "person of interest" in the Las Vegas massacre investigation as of Monday night. (Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department)

A U.S. government source told Fox News that an “immediate relative” of Danley called Paddock “unstable,” and made them feel “uncomfortable.”

“We anticipate some information from her shortly,” Lombardo said of Danley.

In the days since the Las Vegas attack, police have been searching for a motive behind Paddock's shooting rampage, which left 59 people dead and more than 520 injured.

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Las Vegas shooting: From ISIS to gambling debts, theories abound for shooter's motive


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What drove Las Vegas gunman Stephen Paddock to shoot up a country music concert remained a mystery Tuesday, as a vexing array of possible clues did little to bring into focus a motive for the biggest mass shooting in modern American history.


Mounting gambling debts, a family history of mental illness, partisan political rage and a claim of responsibility by ISIS have all emerged as possible motives for Paddock’s Sunday night shooting spree on Sin City’s fabled Strip, which left 59 dead and more than 500 injured. But police – as well as the few who knew Paddock – remain stymied as to what caused the 64-year-old former accountant to snap.


“I can’t get into the mind of a psychopath,” said Sheriff Joseph Lombardo, head of the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department.


Paddock had 23 guns in his hotel room, including rifles with scopes and two modified to make them fully automatic, along with 19 firearms at his home in Mesquite, Nevada. Police are searching another property Paddock owned in northern Nevada.

Mounting gambling debts, a family history of mental illness, partisan political rage and a claim of responsibility by ISIS have all emerged as possible motives for Paddock’s Sunday night shooting spree. While each theory appears to have at least some basis in fact, they also have factors that would seem to cast doubt and have left investigators with more questions than answers.


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Gambling Debts



Paddock was a prolific gambler who was known to play poker games for $1,000 a hand, and was spending up to $30,000 a day on the casino floor in the days leading up to the shooting, according to casino accounts. He was purportedly well known in Las Vegas and was even comped free rooms and given access to special casino facilities thanks to the large sums of money that he spent on the Strip.

“It's like a job for him,” his brother, Eric Paddock, said. “It's a job where you make money. He was at the hotel for four months one time. It was like a second home.”

Despite his time spent gambling, his family said he was simply a wealthy former accountant who enjoyed the Vegas lifestyle, and there is no clear evidence that he had incurred massive gaming losses.


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Mental Illness

Paddock was the son of Benjamin Hoskins Paddock, a serial bank robber who ended up on the FBI most-wanted list back in 1969, when he escaped from federal prison in Texas while serving a 20-year sentence. The bank robber spent almost 10 years on the lam before being cuffed in 1978 outside a bingo hall in Oregon.

FBI reports stated that Paddock’s father had been “diagnosed as psychopathic” and also had possible “suicidal tendencies.”

Investigators are looking to see if Paddock inherited his father’s mental issues and penchant for violence, but so far no history of mental problems has surfaced and Paddock’s brother says that the pair never knew their father.


Political Rage

A number of commentators are pushing rumors online that Paddock was a left-wing extremist who targeted a country music concert because he believed there would be Republicans in attendance.

Several blogs have posted a photo that claims to be of Paddock at an anti-Trump protest wearing a pink T-shirt and a feminist hat. The photo, however, in incredibly grainy and the woman standing next to him is not his girlfriend.

Adding to tenuousness of this claim is that Paddock was not a registered Democrat or Republican and was not even registered to vote in Florida where he had a permanent address. His family added that he had never expressed any strong political views.





ISIS

Shortly after Paddock was revealed to be the shooter, ISIS claimed that the Las Vegas gunman was responding to a call to intensify attacks against Western countries bombing its territories in Syria and Iraq.

The FBI on Tuesday discounted any connection of Paddock's deadly rampage to international terrorism.

“Responding to the call of [Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi] to target the states of the Crusader alliance, and after careful observation of gatherings of the Crusaders in the U.S. city of Las Vegas, one of the soldiers of the caliphate (Abu Abd al-Bar al-Amriki, may Allah accept him) lay hidden armed with machine guns and various ammunition in a hotel overlooking a concert,” the ISIS communique said. “He opened fire on their gathering, leaving 600 killed and injured, until his ammunition was finished and he departed as a martyr.”

Despite ISIS’ claim, a spokesperson for the FBI said there has been no link to ISIS found in the ongoing investigation, with analysis of Paddock’s phone and electronic devices incomplete. Paddock’s brother, Eric, added that the shooter had “no political affiliation, no religious affiliation -- this wasn’t a terror attack.”

The Associated Press contributed to this report.


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Vegas gunman transferred $100K, set up cameras at hotel room



Ken Ritter and Mike Balsamo, The Associated Press
Published Tuesday, October 3, 2017 8:51AM EDT
Last Updated Tuesday, October 3, 2017 9:42PM EDT


LAS VEGAS -- The Las Vegas gunman transferred $100,000 overseas in the days before the attack and planned the massacre so meticulously that he even set up cameras inside the peephole of his high-rise hotel room and on a service cart outside his door, apparently to spot anyone coming for him, authorities said Tuesday.

Meanwhile, investigators are taking a harder look at the shooter's girlfriend and what she might have known about the attack at a country music festival, with the sheriff naming her a "person of interest" and saying the FBI is bringing her back to the U.S. on Wednesday for questioning.

Authorities are trying to determine why Stephen Paddock killed 59 people in the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history.




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Stephen Paddock is pictured in this undated photo.

They have been speaking with girlfriend Marilou Danley, 62, who was out the country at the time of the shooting and in the Philippines on Tuesday, and "we anticipate some information from her shortly," Sheriff Joseph Lombardo said.

Lombardo said he is "absolutely" confident authorities will find out what set off Paddock, a 64-year-old high-stakes gambler and retired accountant who killed himself before police stormed his 32nd-floor room.

Authorities released police body camera video that showed the chaos of the attack as officers tried to figure out the location of the shooter and shuttle people to safety. Amid sirens and volleys of gunfire, people yelled "they're shooting right at us" while officers shouted "go that way!"

Clark County Undersheriff Kevin McMahill said the shooting spanned between nine and 11 minutes.

Paddock transferred $100,000 to the Philippines in the days before the shooting, a U.S. official briefed by law enforcement but not authorized to speak publicly because of the continuing investigation told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity.

Investigators are still trying to trace that money and also looking into a least a dozen financial reports over the past several weeks that said Paddock gambled more than $10,000 per day, the official said.

The cameras Paddock set up at the Mandalay Bay hotel casino were part of his extensive preparations that included stockpiling nearly two dozen guns in his room before opening fire on the concert below. McMahill said the cameras included one in the peephole and two in the hallway.

"I anticipate he was looking for anybody coming to take him into custody," Lombardo said.

During the Sunday night rampage, a hotel security guard who approached the room was shot through the door and wounded in the leg.

"The fact that he had the type of weaponry and amount of weaponry in that room, it was preplanned extensively," the sheriff said, "and I'm pretty sure he evaluated everything that he did and his actions, which is troublesome."

Lombardo said the investigation is proceeding cautiously in case criminal charges are warranted against someone else.

"This investigation is not ended with the demise of Mr. Paddock," the sheriff said. "Did this person get radicalized unbeknownst to us? And we want to identify that source."

In addition to the cameras, investigators found a computer and 23 guns with him at the hotel, along with 12 "bump stock" devices that can enable a rifle to fire continuously, like an automatic weapon, authorities said. Nineteen more guns were found at Paddock's Mesquite home and seven at his Reno house.

Video shot outside the broken door of the room shows an assault-style rifle with a scope on a bipod. The sheriff said an internal investigation has been launched to find out how that footage was obtained.

Some investigators turned their focus Tuesday from the shooter's perch to the festival grounds where his victims fell.

A dozen investigators, most in FBI jackets and all wearing blue booties to avoid contaminating the scene, documented evidence at the site where gunfire rained down and country music gave way to screams of pain and terror.

"Shoes, baby strollers, chairs, sunglasses, purses. The whole field was just littered with things," said Nevada Attorney General Adam Laxalt after touring the site Monday. "There were bloodstains everywhere."

More than 500 people were injured in the rampage, some by gunfire, some during the chaotic escape. At least 45 patients at two hospitals remained in critical condition. All but three of the dead had been identified by Tuesday afternoon, Lombardo said.

As for what may have set Paddock off, retired FBI profiler Jim Clemente speculated that there was "some sort of major trigger in his life -- a great loss, a breakup, or maybe he just found out he has a terminal disease."

Clemente said a "psychological autopsy" may be necessary to try to establish the motive. If the suicide didn't destroy Paddock's brain, experts may even find a neurological disorder or malformation, he said.

He said there could be a genetic component to the slaughter: Paddock's father was a bank robber who was on the FBI's most-wanted list in the 1960s and was diagnosed a psychopath.

"The genetics load the gun, personality and psychology aim it, and experiences pull the trigger, typically," Clemente said.

Paddock had a business degree from Cal State Northridge. In the 1970s and '80s, he worked as a mail carrier and an IRS agent and held down a job in an auditing division of the Defence Department, according to the government. He later worked for a defence contractor.

He had no known criminal record, and public records showed no signs of financial troubles, though he was said to be a big gambler.

Nevada's Gaming Control Board said it will pass along records compiled on Paddock and his girlfriend to investigators.

His brother, Eric Paddock, said he was at a loss to explain the massacre.

"No affiliation, no religion, no politics. He never cared about any of that stuff," he said outside his Florida home.

The FBI discounted the possibility of international terrorism early on, even after the Islamic State claimed responsibility for the attack.

Eric Paddock said his brother did show a confrontational side at times: He apparently hated cigarette smoke so much that he carried around a cigar and blew smoke in people's faces when they lit up around him.

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Regina Garcia Cano, Sally Ho and Brian Skoloff in Las Vegas; Brian Melley in Los Angeles; and Sadie Gurman and Tami Abdollah in Washington contributed to this report.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is getting more confusing, not less ...

It appears that there might have been two people involved. Pictures of the hotel show two windows broken to enable shooters. The broken windows could be an ajoining room on the same floor, as if to get two angles to shoot from.

http://nypost.com/2017/10/03/l.....slaughter/

The shooter also apparently had guests to his room. He dined in his room with another person.

https://www.infowars.com/receipt-shows-paddock-had-another-guest-in-his-room-before-shooting/

He was also prescribed an anti-anxiety drug in June. Psychiatric drug use is a common factor in a lot of these irrational shoot-ups. The Sandy Hook killer was on them, as was the guy who shot Gabby Gifford in Arizona. Others as well. It may be part of the explanation but who knows?

https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/the-strip/las-vegas-strip-shooter-prescribed-anti-anxiety-drug-in-june/

But there is still no clear motive.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugs wrote:
This is getting more confusing, not less ...

It appears that there might have been two people involved. Pictures of the hotel show two windows broken to enable shooters. The broken windows could be an ajoining room on the same floor, as if to get two angles to shoot from.

http://nypost.com/2017/10/03/l.....slaughter/

The shooter also apparently had guests to his room. He dined in his room with another person.

https://www.infowars.com/receipt-shows-paddock-had-another-guest-in-his-room-before-shooting/

He was also prescribed an anti-anxiety drug in June. Psychiatric drug use is a common factor in a lot of these irrational shoot-ups. The Sandy Hook killer was on them, as was the guy who shot Gabby Gifford in Arizona. Others as well. It may be part of the explanation but who knows?

https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/the-strip/las-vegas-strip-shooter-prescribed-anti-anxiety-drug-in-june/

But there is still no clear motive.



I still find the whole thing weird , I tried to compare it to things here , there is this older guy who frequents a local restaurant and is always there . he sounds similar to the guy from vegas , the extreme regular type . it be like if he got a gun somehow and decided to shot up a local concert . like the whole thing would make no sense


that's whats so hard to explain , why would someone who had been treated so well by the vegas strip decide to kill himself in some mass shooting ? and cause so much harm to the city he appeared to love ? it just makes no sense .


unless there is a piece to the puzzle missing ? such as the possibility he had been radicalised ( either by terrorists or someone with bad intentions ) and had suddenly taken different views on life , either way it seems like a part of the story is missing
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It seems that all the Moslem or religous nut theories have been discarded, and there doesn't seem to be any link to radical politics. The best speculation I have heard is that the guy is probably involved in something 'that makes him a lot of illegal money -- drugs, probably -- and he gambles to 'launder' it.

He describes himself as a real estate investor. He has a lot of cash money. He would gamble with $10,000 in one day. He owns a few residential homes, it appears, in every corner of Nevada, but they seem to be empty. (A real investor would not likely leave properties vacant.) He seems to live in one or another of them at various times. This is exactly the kind of thing he might do distributing drugs. He can rotate the houses he uses to meet and deliver the drugs from.

The brother seems a little weird, making bug-eyes and moving around a lot as he talks. Some people claim that's indicative of cocaine. The brother and his wife also live in a grand house.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY4HGmwnyo4

He also owns an airplane, although he has let his pilot's license lapse.

The lifestyle, the airplane, the cash money, his gambling, the guns, the early retirement -- it all adds up to a guy who imports some kind of drug and distributes it to people who sell the drugs in other cities.

But why does a guy like that have shooting up a concert on his bucket list?
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( the gf appears to know nothing as to his motives , he also appears to have requested the room and was even given it for free , also rented a condo that overlooked another music festival the week before )



'He never said anything to me'; Las Vegas killer's girlfriend says he left her in the dark


Ken Ritter, Michael Balsamo And Brian Melley, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

First posted: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 06:28 AM EDT | Updated: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 11:49 PM EDT


LAS VEGAS — The gunman behind the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history led a secret life that has so far thwarted investigators trying to figure out a motive for the attack.

In an effort to try to crack Stephen Paddock’s state of mind, the FBI spent hours on Wednesday interviewing his longtime girlfriend, who returned Tuesday from a weekslong overseas trip and said she had no inkling of the massacre he was plotting when he sent her to see family in her native Philippines.

“He never said anything to me or took any action that I was aware of that I understood in any way to be a warning that something horrible like this was going to happen,” Marilou Danley, 62, said in a statement read by her lawyer outside FBI headquarters in Los Angeles.

Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo said it’s difficult to believe Paddock acted alone in the attack Sunday that killed 58 and injured nearly 500 people at a country music concert on the Las Vegas Strip.

“Maybe he’s a super guy,” Lombardo said before catching himself and calling it the wrong word. “You know, a super yay-hoo that was working out all this on his own. But it would be hard for me to believe that.”

Danley, whom authorities had previously called “a person of interest,” had been expected to provide insight into the mind of Paddock, a frustratingly opaque figure who carried out his high-rise massacre without leaving the plain-sight clues often found after major acts of bloodshed.

Lombardo said Wednesday that Paddock had 1,600 rounds of ammunition and several containers of an explosive commonly used in target shooting that totalled 50 pounds (23 kilograms) in his car. But it wasn’t clear what, if anything, Paddock planned with the explosives, he said.

Paddock, who set up surveillance cameras in his room and to see anyone approaching outside, also had an escape plan, Lombardo said, though he fatally shot himself as police closed in on his luxury suite on the 32nd-floor of the Mandalay Bay resort casino. Lombardo declined to say what led authorities to believe he planned an escape.

The previous weekend, Paddock had rented a high-rise condo in a building that overlooked the Life is Beautiful alternative music festival featuring Chance the Rapper, Muse, Lorde and Blink-182, said Lombardo, who offered no other details about what led Paddock there.

On Sept. 28, the 64-year-old high-stakes gambler and real estate investor checked into Mandalay Bay and specifically requested an upper-floor room with a view of the Route 91 Harvest music festival, according to a person who has seen hotel records turned over to investigators.

Paddock wasn’t able to move into the room until Saturday, said the person, who was not authorized to speak publicly and disclosed the information to the AP on condition of anonymity.

The room, which goes for $590, was given to Paddock for free because he was a good customer who wagered tens of thousands of dollars each time he visited the casino, the person said.

Paddock wired $100,000 to the Philippines days before the shooting, said a U.S. official who was not authorized to speak publicly because of the continuing investigation. Investigators are trying to trace that money.

Danley, who was overseas for more than two weeks, said she was initially pleased when she was wired money from Paddock to buy a house for her family in the Philippines. But she later feared it was a way to break up with her.

She said she loved Paddock as a “kind, caring, quiet man” and hoped they would have a future together. She said she was devastated by the carnage and would co-operate with authorities as they struggle to get inside Paddock’s mind.

While Paddock had a passion for high-stakes gambling at Nevada casinos, his game of choice was video poker, a relatively solitary pursuit with no dealer and no humans to play against. And while neighbours described Paddock as friendly, he wasn’t close to them.

“He was a private guy. That’s why you can’t find out anything about him,” his brother Eric Paddock said from his home in Florida. As for what triggered the massacre, the brother said, “Something happened that drove him into the pit of hell.”

Paddock had no known criminal history. Public records contained no indication of any financial problems, and his brother described him as a wealthy real estate investor.

President Donald Trump and first lady Melania Trump met privately with victims at a Las Vegas hospital Wednesday and then with police officers and dispatchers, praising them and the doctors who treated the wounded.

“Our souls are stricken with grief for every American who lost a husband or a wife, a mother or a father, a son or a daughter,” he said. “We know that your sorrow feels endless. We stand together to help you carry your pain.”

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There are growing suspicions there's more than one shooter, based in the beginning on the fact that the perp had no military experience and no knowledge of firearms and their operation. The claim is made that it takes some expertise to fire these high powered weapons, and to get so many shots off accurately without some trainng is hard to believe. I don't know about that. It seems to me if you know how to reload, then it's just point-and-shoot from there.

But this is a little different. It's a video that was taken from within the target group, in the plaza. You can hear the gunfire, and inexplicably, people are not running away -- they don't seem to know what's happening, but someone close by has a bullet in him/her.

https://twitter.com/TIME/status/914847463424507904/video/1

In the video you can see a flashing light which is probably a shooter, and it isn't on the 32nd floor. Probably more like the 20th. And it isn't from one of the ends of the 'wings' of the building, either. It's from towards the center.

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There are things that make me wonder. Why so many guns, for example? If you were planning to go out in a blaze of horror, like this, why would you take 40 guns? I can understand taking half a dozen or even a dozen, but why three dozen?

Not only that, but they found 26 kilos of some kind of special explosive in his car. Why? Why all the ammunition?

Is it possible that there was a bigger operation in mind, something along the lines of the Mumbai hotel incident, where a dozen trained terrorists carried out a number of coordinated attacks and killed 175 Indians? That set of attacks lasted four days and had several targets.

It had relatively sophisticated electronics, it had oodles of firepower, and had a juicy target ... Imagine a dozen fit, trained soldiers stationed around the hotel to defend it. That could have been what was the project was supposed to be, and somehow, it got messed up.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

More on the overkill ...

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An explosive compound like the one found in Las Vegas mass shooter Stephen Paddock’s car and home is believed to have been used last year in an alleged terrorist bombing in New York City.
Authorities say they recovered an undisclosed amount of the compound known as Tannerite from Paddock’s home in Mesquite and 50 pounds from his car parked at Mandalay Bay, where he used high-powered firearms to mow down concertgoers at the adjacent Route 91 Harvest festival on Sunday.
Police have not said why the 64-year-old Paddock possessed Tannerite, which is unregulated and legally used by marksmen to create targets that emit a small cloud of smoke when they are struck. Authorities also found ammonium nitrate, another ingredient that can be used to build bombs, in his vehicle at the site of the shooting.
https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/the-strip/explosive-possessed-by-stephen-paddock-may-have-been-used-in-nyc-bombing/
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Just to give you an idea of what 30 lbs of tannerite can do, you can see starting at about the 2 minute point of this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVSecWR5YgY

He had over 50 lbs with him!

I know, I know, conspiracy theories are in bad taste, but I am wondering if he wasn't working, on contract, with ISIS or some such shadowy group. He's a really secretive guy. He's an accountant that doesn't use a computer, or at least the internet. He has no military background, and nobody associates him with guns, yet he has serious weapons coming out his ears. They are adapted to be automatic guns. Now we know he has a stockpile of exactly the kind of explosive that terrorists would want. Who else would make it worthwhile to keep maybe 100 lbs of this stuff in your garage?

What if he got his money by supplying goods and services to terrorist groups that were preparing something big?

I would like to know -- was he ever really an accountant? Did he have clients? When did he quit his business or his job?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Methinks you are stretching on this. Lots are so its not a rebuke on all.

But , you contradict yourself. No computer use, no internet. So just how would ISIS get to him? USPS ?
His number of guns is not shocking, perhaps for his GF but lots of folks have tons of guns. I didnt know a good friend of mine had so many guns, he hunts, I knew that but he told me what else he has and I laughed.

Tannerite in those numbers is not surprising at all. Lots of gun owners have this stuff, it looks great when they shoot at it and get kick out of 'dun blowed up " stuff .

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What if he got his money by supplying goods and services to terrorist groups that were preparing something big?

Laundry? Groceries? Dry cleaning?

Not sure if we will ever know why he did what he did.

Dont much care either . Sad all around.

The left is blaming the right, the right is blaming the left and the rest of the world just looks on and says... 'Merica. Fuck yeah.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Come on, TC, do we have to fight 'on this. I don't have a "position", just reactions, and they change. I have gone through other paeople's speculations on Paddock, rejected some, and have some evolving thoughts.

What I put on here isn't something I believe, or support, or anything else but little bits of actual evidence, and my own pondering on it. That's all.

Bottom line, my profile is that the shooter was a smuggler and that his accountant routine was a 'front'. At least it doesn't account for his wealth. What does he smuggle? I can suggest things but I have no idea, it's simply that his lifestyle suggests it. That's just what makes the most sense to me. I don't put it forward as proof.

The sheriff has said that the shooter must have had help. He is judging this on the complexity of the planning and the skills involved. Again, no proof. Just an investigative 'nose', I suppose. But the video I posted tends to support that. The problem is -- we don't know if Paddock acquired the technical knowledge he would need to do the electronics, handle the guns etc. so I don't know how to evaluate that. I suspect the sheriff knows more than he's revealing.

Why is it any more reasonable, at this point, to accept that this guy, who video gambled with $10,000 almost daily is a retired accountant that is living off his real estate investments? The profits in real estate come from capital gains, not big incomes. For retired people, rental income is great IF they can shelter it from taxes by using the depreciation allowance. If a retired person has a property that gives them a decent income, they wouldn't flip it when they retire. And they wouldn't be gambling with big gobs of cash from rental incomes. Not several times a week.

And why video poker? What 'investor' does that? Am I wrong, can the machines be beaten in the long term? If you do it every day, as I understand it, you guarantee you will lose. Wouldn't you expect an accountant to know that?

Not that an investor wouldn't gamble, but they would seek out a rational gamble, one where they could use their skills in assessing risk to win rather than play a machine where they are ultimately bound to lose? If he was really making a living out of it, wouldn't he be at a table with a guy from Texas and another from Serbia, hoping a dentist from Omaha or some place like that will show up, like on TV?

To me, the more likely explanation is that he was laundering money. If he put $10,000 into the machine and got $7500 out that might have been OK with him. It wouldn't be to an investor.

This makes as much sense as the story the brother told, which seems to be serving as the baseline. It should be checked out.

At another level of speculation is what led him to die in that hotel room with all those guns, and 60 lbs of high explosives in the trunk of his car.

We can't find any motive in terms of personal or religious convictions. He's the furthest thing from a zealot. But if he were involved with a terrorist group for pay -- would he end his life money, like a mercenary? Money is useless unless you live to spend it.

He has no family, really ... no wife, no kids, his mother is covered ... none of those Walter White motivations. It's a mystery.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

( there has yet to be any sort of "motive " released to the general public , Wynn an owner of other hotels has said his behaviour should of been a red flag and going do not disturb for 3 days should of been looked into why ? )



Lost items from Las Vegas shooting returned to some who fled


Regina Garcia Cano And Ken Ritter, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

First posted: Sunday, October 08, 2017 04:39 PM EDT | Updated: Sunday, October 08, 2017 05:34 PM EDT



LAS VEGAS — The abandoned baby strollers, shoes, phones, backpacks and purses strewn for days across the huge crime scene of the Las Vegas massacre were slowly being returned to their owners Sunday to become sad souvenirs of a horrific night.

One week ago, the same scene was home to a happy day of country music for 22,000 people at the Route 91 Harvest festival. A few hours later, when 64-year-old Stephen Paddock opened fire on the crowd from the nearby Mandalay Bay hotel, killing 58 people, those thousands were left fleeing for their lives, with no care for the possessions they are now recollecting.

Federal agents have spent the week collecting evidence amid the thousands of items, some of them stained with blood.

“Whatever was dropped when people started running, those items we’re collecting and we’re going to provide back,” Paul Flood, unit chief in the FBI’s victim services division said at a news conference.

The items have been catalogued with detailed descriptions, and some have been cleaned of things including blood. They are now being returned to people at a Family Assistance Center at the Las Vegas Convention Center, starting with a few sections of the concert scene and expanding to others at a time to be announced later.

“Just in general, the sheer size of the space, the amount of personal items that were left there, it’s just a huge undertaking,” Flood said.

Country singer Jason Aldean, who was on stage when the shooting broke out, made a special appearance to open the telecast of “Saturday Night Live” with a performance of “I Won’t Back Down” by Tom Petty, who died in Los Angeles on Monday.

“This week we witnessed one of the worst tragedies in American history,” Aldean said before starting the song. “So many people are hurting. You can be sure that we are going to walk through these tough times together every step of the way.”

Las Vegas hotel and gambling magnate Steve Wynn, who owns casinos that Paddock gambled in but not the Mandalay Bay, said Sunday that his hotels have undertaken special security measures in recent years to identify potentially dangerous guests. Those measures include using magnetometers to detect significant amounts of metal and training housekeeping staff to report suspicious actions like a do-not-disturb sign remaining on a door for extended periods.

Paddock spent the days before the shooting bringing bags of guns into the hotel and setting up his sniper’s perch for the shooting. He also rigged his own surveillance cameras to watch for police and hotel staff.

“If a room goes on ’do not disturb’ for more than 12 hours, we investigate,” Wynn, whose hotels include Wynn Las Vegas and Encore told Fox News in an interview. “We don’t allow guns in this building unless they’re being carried by our employees, and there’s a lot of them. But if anybody’s got a gun and we find them continually, we eject them from the hotel.”

Wynn said a scenario like Paddock’s “would have triggered a whole bunch of alarms here. And we would have, on behalf of the guests, of course, investigated for safety, and it would have been a provocative situation.”

Wynn said that under a counterterrorism plan put in place in 2015, “We profile or inspect or examine everybody that enters the building.”

He added that his hotels wouldn’t invade the privacy of a guest in a room. He was quick to say that MGM Grand Resorts, which owns the Mandalay Bay, is also vigilant about safety.

Wynn said Paddock didn’t run up debts or have a gambling problem, and he had “the most vanilla profile one could possibly imagine.”

Paddock and girlfriend Marilou Danley were well known to his employees, Wynn said.

“We have butlers and waiters and masseuses and the people in the beauty shop that know this woman and this man completely,” Wynn said. “They talk about normal mundane things. But if there’s anything interesting that stood out over the six years, nobody that’s ever worked here have ever seen the gentleman or the lady take a drink of wine, beer or alcohol of any kind.”

Investigators remain stumped about why the reclusive 64-year-old high-stakes video poker player would shoot at the crowd from his 32nd-floor Mandalay Bay hotel room, killing 58 and wounding hundreds before killing himself.

They believe a note found on a nightstand in Paddock’s hotel room contained a series of numbers that helped him calculate a more precise aim, accounting for the trajectory of shots being fired from that height and the distance between his room and the concert, a law enforcement official said Saturday. The official wasn’t authorized to discuss the details of the ongoing investigation publicly and spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity.

Investigators have chased 1,000 leads and examined Paddock’s politics, finances, any possible radicalization and his social behaviour — typical investigative avenues that have helped uncover the motive in past shootings. But Clark County Undersheriff Kevin McMahill said there’s still no clear motive.


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