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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:06 am    Post subject: Trump threatens to terminate NAFTA ... Reply with quote

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The Latest: Trump says US will ‘probably’ end NAFTA

PHOENIX (AP) — The Latest on President Donald Trump’s visit to Arizona (all times PDT):

8:40 p.m.

President Donald Trump says he thinks the U.S. will “end up probably terminating” the North American Free Trade Agreement with Canada and Mexico “at some point.”

Trump tells supporters at a Phoenix, Arizona rally that, “Personally, I don’t think we can make a deal because we have been so badly taken advantage of.”

But he cautions he has yet to make up his mind.

The U.S., Mexico and Canada began formal negotiations last week to rework the 23-year-old trade pact that Trump slammed during his campaign as the “worst” in history.

The Canadian and Mexican negotiators believe NAFTA needs to be updated. But they have defended the pact, which eliminated most barriers on trade between the countries, as an economic success story.
https://apnews.com/cb3d2c1548ca4e8e92f75d706a749f91/The-Latest:-Arizona-governor-greets-president-on-tarmac


This is probably a bluff. But the way to respond to a bluff is to take it seriously. This was a speech in Arizona. We should take it seriously, and start preparing. They should get a glimpse of what the consequences will be for them. We want to activate those interests.

It means having some starch in our backbone and facing up to a struggle.

Sadly, we have the leadership we have ... the feckless twirp that no one respects ... Real heroes don't need two nannies.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:20 am    Post subject: Re: Trump threatens to terminate NAFTA ... Reply with quote

Bugs wrote:


This is probably a bluff. But the way to respond to a bluff is to take it seriously. This was a speech in Arizona. We should take it seriously, and start preparing. They should get a glimpse of what the consequences will be for them. We want to activate those interests.

They are/have.

I do agree that this is likely a bluff. There is so much wrong going on in Washington that this wont be the focus. Much like the wall.

Chrystia Freeland. She has pretty damn good pedigree.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/23/16178914/trump-nafta-trudeau

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Sadly, we have the leadership we have ... the feckless twirp that no one respects ... Real heroes don't need two nannies.

Much of the world seems to respect him,but one is entitled to an opinion.

Trump always had two nannies. Im guessing he is no longer your hero.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is she the one who tears up over the environment? Parachuted into ... (((shudder))) ... Toronto Centre to run against Linda McQuack ... er McQuaig ... ?

The one that's continuing Harper's foreign policy in the Ukraine -- that one?

She makes me cringe because she's the tough one that Justin hides behind.

The difference between Trump and Justin? Trump pays for his own nannies. That and Trump's a lot smarter.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugs wrote:
Is she the one who tears up over the environment? Parachuted into ... (((shudder))) ... Toronto Centre to run against Linda McQuack ... er McQuaig ... ?

The one that's continuing Harper's foreign policy in the Ukraine -- that one?

She makes me cringe because she's the tough one that Justin hides behind.

None of the leaders do the negotiations but assigns it. So....is Trump hiding behind his negotaitors too? Im guessing they have to be.
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The difference between Trump and Justin? Trump pays for his own nannies. That and Trump's a lot smarter.


Ya know....I could show you that Trump doesnt pay for them and then youll make up some other line (move the goalposts) in an attempt to make yourself look smart.

You have to love it tho when you are hoist with your own petard . It happens a lot with your posts.

Thank you , Come again. Like taking candy from a baby.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To borrow a quote from the former Prime Minister; (Or the gist of a quote)

Canada having the energy card assures we are an important partner to the United States.

Canada and Mexico are 1 and 3 respectively in terms of countries the US imports oil from and the President recently moved forward with a fairly significant pipeline and infrastructure expansion to import more Canadian Oil. Coupled with a new pipeline to Mexico which was approved at the end of June.

At the end of the day, while its certainly more devastating for us its fairly inconvenient for them to simply allow us to start adding tariffs on oil or any energy by-product. As such while I expect tough talk from the President its likely a bluff especially considering where the comment was made.

In terms of the priories for both countries;

Our list of demands:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politic.....-1.4246498

Vs. The US:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politic.....-1.4208459

We have about a dozen they have nearly 100.

While labour standards, environmental standards, gender rights, and Indigenous rights issue are high on the Liberal's scale of importance as in many cases there is a lack of consensus on all those points across all three partners, do we really have an expectation that somehow we will convince the Americans to sign onto Paris? Or that Mexico will reform its labour standards (and most appealing resource) to accommodate us?

I can't see it but I could be wrong.

I would imagine what is more likely is those will be pitched in an effort to try and do away with Buy America for Canadian Firms & attempt to find a better means of addressing the anti-dumping and countervailing disputes language in the agreement which would in itself be a massive victory if attained.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the preliminaries to the negotiations.

Trump just showed us he could shut North Korea up through theatrics. He's masterful that way. For awhile, everybody was worried about how Trump was going to offend the dictator of North Korea and bumbl us into World War III ... and then ... the story dropped from sight.

Now Trump is trying to get Canada and Mexico to contemplate what it would be like if NAFTA was terminated, Trust me, he's watching our reaction. What politician wants something like that? Never mind our world-beating narcissist Prime Minister, whose only transferable skill is leading nations, and off-loading his childcare costs onto the public.

But the best reaction would be to start preparing the population for the fact that we may have to walk away from the new deal and take our chances with world markets, while making it clear that Canada isn't the problem, and that we are prepared to make reasonable adjustments, particularly if they create jobs on both sides of the border. Or something like that.

We have to make him feel we can walk away or we'll take a drubbing in this deal. You don't do that with runway swagger and a sharp crease in your pants. You have to start actually preparing for that eventuality.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This might be a 'hardball' negotiating tactic.

Quote:
Interim fighter jet purchase remains in limbo as Liberals deal with NAFTA talks
No timeline on a decision for stopgap to replace CF-18s in wake of Boeing lawsuit, says Carla Qualtrough
CBC News Posted: Sep 02, 2017 10:21 AM ET Last Updated: Sep 02, 2017 12:28 PM ET

Boeing expected to deliver Super Hornet benefits plan despite disagreement
Ottawa reconsiders Boeing purchases amid accusations against Bombardier.

"I don't think we know exactly when we're going to make a decision on that. I think it'll have to be this fall and we're going to be mindful of all the other layers. This isn't a decision we can make in isolation without considering the consequences for trade negotiations and relationships with our own aerospace industry," Public Services and Procurement Minister Carla Qualtrough told CBC Radio's The House.

"NAFTA is a big trade consideration. We're in the thick of it. Sleeves are at present being rolled up and pencils sharpened on the NAFTA file. I don't think again that we can as a government look and make a decision on jets overall without considering kind of the geopolitical realities we're finding ourselves in."

Trade dispute creates contract uncertainty

Her comments pile further doubt on the Liberal's plan to make a stopgap buy until the government can finalize the purchase of 88 permanent replacements for the aging CF-18 fleet.

Canada opened negotiations for the sole-source purchase of 18 Super Hornet jet fighters earlier this year, but the program is on hold because of a trade dispute with Boeing. [,,,,]
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politic.....-1.4272575


The problem flows from the $bllions of subsidies that have flowed into Bombardier.
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