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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:07 am    Post subject: Ezra Levant rejects the alt -right Reply with quote

( an interesting post from ezra levant on the new alt right movement in the US )


August 14, 2017

Ezra Levant’s staff memo on the alt-right

Ezra Levant
Rebel Commander



This weekend our reporter Faith Goldy covered the alt-right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia. She also covered the leftist response to it, and was reporting from the midst of a leftist counter-protest at the moment someone rammed their car into the crowd.

You can see her livestreaming video here, with the attack at about 2:30 minutes in.

The events in Charlottesville, and our coverage of them, have become fodder for our critics, who are desperate to paint us as racist or even neo-Nazi.

It’s bizarre — I’m a proud Jew myself, and we have people of a variety of races and backgrounds working with us.

Simply covering controversial figures doesn’t mean we agree with those controversial figures. It means we’re covering the news, not just covering Justin Trudeau’s socks.

When I first heard of the alt-right a year ago, I thought it simply meant the insurgent right, the politically incorrect right, the grassroots right, the nationalistic right, the right that was a counterweight to the establishment of the GOP, the right that backed Trump and his "Make America Great Again" style over Jeb Bush and the swamp. It was unashamed right-wingedness, with a sense of humour.

Prominent alt-right personalities back then included the outrageous but loveable Milo Yiannopoulos, who just happened to be a half-Jewish gay man who preferred black men. I remember when Hillary Clinton made her bizarre campaign speech attacking the alt-right, and it sounded no different than any of her other “deplorables” insults, so that made me even more interested.

But the alt-right has changed into something new, especially since Trump’s election. Now the leading figure — at least in terms of media attention — is Richard Spencer, and other white nationalists. By that, I mean people whose central organizing political principle is race.

And that’s the starting point; there are also white supremacists, and even some neo-Nazis. There were actually some Nazi swastika flags in Charlottesville. Whether or not they were being genuinely carried, or carried by agents provocateurs trying to embarrass the alt-right isn’t even important. They were there — and Spencer’s torch-lit walk had other Nazi symbology, including the "Sieg Heil" arm salute, and the chant of “blood and soil” — which was a slogan popularized by the Nazis.

Sorry, that’s not conservative, that's just racist, and I think it’s unpatriotic to mimic one of America’s greatest historical enemies. Spencer released an explicitly racist manifesto in Charlottesville. If pressed, Spencer positively admits he is not conservative; he does not believe in individualism; he is a communalist, an economic socialist, but most importantly, someone who believes your race is your key characteristic.

We disagree. We believe that character and ideas and actions are more important than skin colour, or for that matter sex or sexual orientation. You can be a smart, thoughtful conservative who is black, gay, Jewish, whatever — and you can be a foolish, unethical, violent Communist who is white. In fact, there are quite a lot of them.

We will still report on what the alt-right says and does, and we will surely report more accurately than the mainstream media does. We can stand up for their freedom of speech and freedom of assembly, and oppose censorship — like the ACLU courageously did in Charlottesville. We can stand up for the rule of law, especially when police seem to stand down to allow Antifa leftists do violence as they did in Charlottesville and Berkeley and other places.

And of course we can point out the differences with which extremist black, gay, Muslim or feminist identity politics are treated by the establishment, as opposed to how white identity politics are treated.

That’s really what the alt-right is, in my mind — the mirror image of Black Lives Matter, or perhaps more accurately Louis Farrakhan’s Nation of Islam black separatists.

Until this weekend, I would have said that the alt-right doesn’t tend towards violence — they walked through Charlottesville with torches, but didn’t torch anything, unlike many BLM riots. But of course the murder of a leftist by an alt-right activist changes that.

So let me sum up our position:

1. We are not alt-right. That term now effectively means racism, anti-Semitism and tolerance of neo-Nazism.

2. We are conservatives (as opposed to socialists); we are nationalists (as opposed to globalists); we believe in having borders (as opposed to Merkel- and Trudeau-style migration); we are opposed to identity politics inherent in state multiculturalism and affirmative action (and we do not support countervailing white nationalism as a response). So we are different from the alt-right in many ways.

3. Finally, we are aware that the alt-right, as it it now constituted and led, is an obscure, small, ineffective movement. Their Charlottesville march, that had national media coverage for weeks in advance, mustered fewer than 500 people altogether. They hold no elected office, hold no prominent positions in academia, media, or any other institution. Their chief political utility is to the left: to prove the leftist narrative that the “true threat” in America is actually from “right wing white guys”, as opposed to, say, Muslim extremism or Latin American drug gangs. And to the Soros-funded street gangs of the left, the alt-right is a justification of violence — it’s an excuse for more chaos and fear that are Antifa’s signature.

The alt-right is not effective at promoting conservative ideas; it doesn’t even claim to be. But after this weekend, the media certainly sees the alt-right as effective at discrediting conservative ideas.

That’s our approach to the alt-right: the same way we approach the alt-left.

As in: we’re the most honest reporters out there. Which is why everyone from NBC to CBS to Reuters has asked us for permission to use our footage this weekend.

https://www.therebel.media/ezra_levant_s_staff_memo_on_the_alt_right
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And Brian Lilley dumps Ezra . Good for him.

Interesting how quiet this site is about the horrible goings on in Charlottesville.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why don't you say what you are implying? Or are you not implying anything.

But I'll let you in on a little secret ... it's the middle of August. School starts soon. People are sitting around barbeques, paddling 'their feet in the water, roasting marshmallows, stuff like that.

So it's always quiet in the summer.

But what are you implying?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The rats are fleeing the ship. First Lilley and now many more.

Ezra painted himself into a corner and there seems little he can do to rectify that. Although he is trying but his past suggest he was much like those he now wants to vilify.

He made it his life to be bigotted , anti-Muslim , anti-Gay pro -white when all along he failed to see that those on the right were against Jews in any form yet he thought he would fly under the radar.

And Trump, well he has now stepped in it with the idiotic comments made last night. The pressue will now increase tenfold and we shall see how Trump deals with it.

He can only wish he had a war to hide behind.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is another one of those cases where I feel I missed something. Enough about paint and corners ... what paint? What corner?

You say bigotry? Please, spare me the metaphors and the abstractions. What did he actually do? If he was a bigot, when? What did he do? What did he say?

He actually fights bigotry, at least in some cases, and he's probably one of the most important figures when it comes to the defence of our civil rights. He's not enough, I know ... but who else even cares?

Put differently: you make the charges, let's see the substance you bring behind them.

I don't know about Lilley. He was never the star at Rebel, not like Gavin McInnes. I'd say that the loss of Barbara Kaye is a bigger loss.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you disavow yourself of all his failings including all the lawsuits he has lost?

Oh my.

There are libel cases he lost......
Ron Ghitter
George Soros (no suit but retraction)
Giacomo Vigna
Khurrum Awan
Richard Warman (apology in writing in lieu of damages)
3 more pending.....

How about the CBSC complaints where he has had his ass handed to him ? Know anything about those?


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He actually fights bigotry,


You forgot to add the word 'for' . He does fight for bigotry.

You know...Romani...Muslim.

The things he has been slapped/fined/ridiculed over?

Did you miss those too?

Have a nice day.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, you're right, I only know about one of those cases. Warman ... wasn't he the guy who once worked for the HRC of Alberta(?) and who went solo, generating cases by trolling white supremacist websites? He was like a bounty hunter, exploiting all the new definitions that you guys are deviously bringing into active law. They went through Human Rights, as I recall, because these people hadn't violated the criminal code on hate speech. In fact, Ezra was at the legal frontier, pushing back against a Human Rights Commission that is out of control.

Are the others the Moslem leaders who used the HRC to silence both Ezra and Mark Steyn? Ezra's big sin -- publishing the Mohammed cartoons. (Peace be upon them.) Some think that that took a lot of courage and that he stood up for the principles of free speech. Is that wrong? Please explain.

Besides, this list of law suits -- anyone can file a lawsuit, it's called "lawfare" -- doesn't justify your faux outrage. Publishers of news sites that probe controversial subjects are likely to run into lawsuits. Why is someone as legally sophisticated as you acting like an innocent?

You came on here, preening yourself, like Father Andre's favourite choirboy ... asking ... in the middle of August ... why it was so 'quiet' on here. You made comments about rats leaving the ship ...

What was that all about?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's been some snotty attitude expressed about the Rebel media and Ezra Levant in particular.

This is the best reportage on the incident in Charlottesville -- presented by Rebel media's Faith Goldy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7g85VejT0c

She had the best footage of the car driving into the crowd. She was on the sidewalk right where the car rammed through. If you have any interest in this subject, you should watch some of her videos on her experience in Charlotteville. This woman is a real reporter. Kudos to Rebel Media for giving us this coverage.

This is to be contrasted to the presentation given by the NYTimes or the Washington Post, who describe it as a combo neo-Nazis/biker party ... and tried to associate Trump with old-school white racists. They essentially ignored the facts on the ground.

While some of those types may have been present, they did not typify the group.

it was supposedly a conference to 'unite the right', an attempt to bring some factions of the right together. I thought the alt right was over, with Pepe the Frog. I don't know the details. Part of this ferment is the first stirrings of a racial consciousness amongst whites. That's what's news.

The new 'white nationalists'are not like the Michigan Militia, or Hitler admirers. They are are white people who want to be treated like other ethnic identity groups are treated. The Alt Right became a group that felt that every group shoud have a homeland, for instance.

None of them expect to get political power, they just feel that they are being blamed for everyone else's problems. Agree or disagree, that isn't the point. I'm talking about something happening in the American population. That's all. From what I understood, the new 'nationalists' split from the the older, Hitler based types, and there was no Alt Right any more.

If you want the experience of a participant, this video gives you a better idea of the events, and the mindset of the participants.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zGVQVtjO5k

I feel that this will only radicalize the situation. If there is any truth whatever in the allegations about the police -- and there is no doubt that the protesters' civil rights were violated -- then this is going to change attitudes. And nothing spreads populist issues like a suppression that fails.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

More than 250 companies pull ads from The Rebel

Large increase in the wake of Rebel.ca coverage of Charlottesville protests


Beatrice Britneff

Wednesday, August 16th, 2017



In just three months, more than 250 Canadian and international companies – including banks, post-secondary institutions, car manufacturers and major retailers – have confirmed they will pull their ads from Rebel Media, according to an online group that targets far-right websites.

An anonymous spokesperson for Sleeping Giants Canada told iPolitics Wednesday the group has seen an uptick in the number of companies agreeing to block their online ads from appearing on the ultra-conservative media outlet since Saturday – when Rebel commentator Faith Goldy appeared to sympathize with white supremacists at a protest in Charlottesville, Va. that turned...


http://ipolitics.ca/2017/08/16.....ng-giants/
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toronto Centre wrote:
The rats are fleeing the ship. First Lilley and now many more.

Ezra painted himself into a corner and there seems little he can do to rectify that. Although he is trying but his past suggest he was much like those he now wants to vilify.

He made it his life to be bigotted , anti-Muslim , anti-Gay pro -white when all along he failed to see that those on the right were against Jews in any form yet he thought he would fly under the radar.

And Trump, well he has now stepped in it with the idiotic comments made last night. The pressue will now increase tenfold and we shall see how Trump deals with it.

He can only wish he had a war to hide behind.




I don't see why people always have such an issue with there being some alternative news sources and view points out there . I personally find it more disturbing that so many on the left don't seem to believe in free speech anymore than some of the video's I've seen posted on the rebel .


its like whenever a right of centre news alternative appears in Canada , the left seeks to destroy it and make it disappear . I can still remember how some people basically cheered and though it was great the day sun news closed down .


I'm not saying I agree with everything the rebel has posted or discussed , obviously some of there video's are more controversial than others but I do believe in free speech and they should have a right in a free country to bring up some of these issues
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Rebel is like a tabloid. Some of its participants are shaky, others not. Faith Goldie and Lauren Southern have made careers via The Rebel, and become personalities. They take cameras into the crowd, and interview where the mainstream won't go. It's like a shotgun blast at fake news. We need it.

But look at the coverage in the Canadian mainstream media! First, none of them -- other than the Rebel -- had any reporters at the event. They simply wrote their stories from the American media reports, which were hysterical with glee because they saw in it the opportunity to paint the Trump administration as racist. Columnists like Andrew Coyne took the bait and parroted the themes. For three days, that's all we got. Then the squeamish started to worry about the consequences for them. It must have seemed believable to a lot of people.

The reportage simply took some of the hysterical edge off of what was, in essence, Democrat party propaganda. It wasn't really journalism at all. They all jumped in -- what else was TC asking for, except a renunciation -- to support the narrative of good vrs evil in Trump's America.

We can see how little there are to these charges five days later. Compare Faith Goldie's reportage to any other you could see! I dare you ... first of all, she's on the spot, in the crowd, with visuals. She's objective, she admits she, herself, doesn't understand what is going on. She gives us what we need to understand that the New York Times is fake news.

What would we do without the Rebel? Otherwise, you're stuck with TC and his moral preening. Does anyone really want to go back to a time when people who talk like he does have to be taken seriously? It's so old, so trite, so stale ... and such a pack of lies.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The new 'white nationalists'are not like the Michigan Militia, or Hitler admirers. They are are white people who want to be treated like other ethnic identity groups are treated. The Alt Right became a group that felt that every group shoud have a homeland, for instance.

The Alt Right ( among others) planned the parade for Unite The Right, the khakis and white shirt brigade who carried tiki torches , wonderful symbols of the past.

Funnny though, they came w weapons , guns and more.

But lets educate you . When you have Richard Spencer (Alt Right founder), Mike Enoch, David Duke (former KKK Wizard) throwing his support and supporters to descend on C'ville, Matthew Heimbach (Traditionalist Worker Party-fighting the Jewish power structure) all part and parcel with white superiority , bigotry against Jews and outright racism against blacks.....you call this white people who want equal treatment the same as other ethnic groups?


No, thats just plain ignorance and stupidity.

Have fun w that.

Im out.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

( scheer issued a confusing statement about the rebel , which is odd as I seem to recall he gladly spoke with them during the leadership race , and was for sure interviewed by ezra )


Scheer now says Rebel Media 'worth condemnation'


Janice Dickson

Thursday, August 17th, 2017



Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer delivered a long-awaited statement of condemnation against Rebel Media.

“I am disgusted by the vile comments made by hate groups this past weekend,” said Scheer in a statement.

“I believe there is fine line between reporting the facts and giving those groups a platform. I have a positive vision for Canada and I want to share that vision with Canadians and talk about issues that unite us all. Until the editorial directions of the Rebel Media changes, I will not grant interviews to the outlet.”

Scheer’s official statement is a bit stronger than comments he made...

http://ipolitics.ca/2017/08/17.....demnation/
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't see why people always have such an issue with there being some alternative news sources and view points out there .


I dont think anyone here has any issue whatsoever in alternative news sources.

Everyone SHOULD have an issue when some news sources are a constant purveyor of bullshit, are contantly being slapped by either the CBSC or the Courts.

Rebel Media is guilty of all that. It is pretty much all opinion and not a news soure per se.

All newspapers print the news, it is where the opinion columns of editors and writers that gets the slant that may be attributed to them. The TO Star is a fine newspaper, but they have some left leaning columnist .
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I personally find it more disturbing that so many on the left don't seem to believe in free speech anymore than some of the video's I've seen posted on the rebel .

So many huh?

In fact thats pretty much just a make up line on your behalf. Both sides at their extremes are filled with idiots who espouse all sort of things none of us are interested in.
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its like whenever a right of centre news alternative appears in Canada , the left seeks to destroy it and make it disappear . I can still remember how some people basically cheered and though it was great the day sun news closed down .

SUN News Network you mean? I fail to agree that many cheered its demise. But I will admit that I was happy to not have to hear their whiny ass faux outrage that they were being treated any different that any other channel. (Cue the obfuscation from some )

Sun New Van/Edm/Cal/Wpg/To (Postmedia) , National Post, Globe and Mail, Ottawa Citizen are all right leaning . (case could be made that the G&M isnt but hey..)

That certainly is not a vacuum.
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I'm not saying I agree with everything the rebel has posted or discussed , obviously some of there video's are more controversial than others but I do believe in free speech and they should have a right in a free country to bring up some of these issues


They have free speech and have exercised it since day 1. No one has tried to shut them down as you suggest so stop being worried.

What Rebel has done is gone too far , got too cute , that they are now prone to fail simply because Ezra is an idiot and people see him for what he is.

His failures are legion (granted he keeps trying so he has that)

Western Std
Sun News Network
Rebel Media (any day now)

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are you tálking about, they are trying to shut them down right now. You're in the middle of it, celebrating it, urging it on. How blind can you be?

The way Trump reported it in his statement is the truth. A group of quiet protesters started it all, wanting to express their opposition to taking the statue down and renaming the park. They didn't seem particularly political people, but there were Alt Right people amongst them. It was more local people wanting to keep their park as it had always been.

There is no Alt Right anymore. The Alt Right was a group were largely Republicans and Libertarians, but who began to, see this issues as global vrs national, rather than left vrs right. And it relates to identity groups by suggesting that everyone deserves a ''homeland'. Their 'racism'is the acceptance that racial/cultural groups all deserve to control the public space in their communities. It's a reaction to multiculturalism that cuts white Americans into the picture.

The old-line Hollywood Hitler-loving racists are the last people they want to see.

The Alt Right has dissolved itself, in so far as they were an organized group. They were mostly an internet group, they were the ones behind Pepe the Frog, and stuff like that. They started the terminology about "cuck-servatives". They loved to 'troll' the left-right people whenever they felt they were 'being manipulated emotionally.

it became clear the Antifa crowd meant to close the meeting down. Trouble was brewing. The Proud Boys got involved. The Proud Boys is a group that has formed to protect free speech, and they do it by stopping Antifa from closing down the meeting through violence, like the did at Berkeley, when Milo Y. was scheduled to speak.

The violence quotient obviously rose as soon as Antifa started mobilizing.

This is, in the sense a return match between the Proud Boys and Antifa. Prior matches have taken place on some university campuses when Antifa prevents speakers from having their meetings. It's a big thing on campuses these days.

The Governor tried to shut the rally down, but a judge overruled him, because the group had already gotten a permit.

If anyone is really interested in what actually happened, the videos I cited earlier are good. The one by a protester is terrific. He describes the police as actively mixing the two groups together so the fights would break out. On top of that, the footage shows some of hte weapons that Antifa brought with them'. Antifa, you should know, uses slogans like Kill a Nazi and arguing that violence is OK against people who have opinions that are not tolerated.

This isn't covered in the New York Times, but the role of the police seems odd because they are present, but they don't intervene. They didn't at Berkeley, and other places as well, and they didn't in Charlotteville.

The headlines of this story, from the start, pinned the violence of neo-Nazis. Since then, it has become apparent that Antifa came to make trouble, and the Proud Boys are the same. But the stigma is being generalized, first to Trump, and now to Rebel Media, who actually had some of the best coverage of the event.

Contrast it to the way the left's violent groups are covered. When Black Lives Matter paraded down the streets of LA chanting something about ... "pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon,". They went on to call for the murder of cops, to the point where somebody did shoot a couple in Dallas.

The media called those people 'activists'. And treated them with respect.

For TCs information, there is no doubt that the attendees of the rally were deprived of their civil rights by the authorities at Charlotteville. What's the bet there's a lawsuit?

Our media universe will be poorer if the Rebel disappears.
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