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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm watching Jagmeet Singh's leadership launch. He had over 900 people RSVP for his launch, which happened in his home riding.

Only been watching a few minutes but he's pretty good.


He is everything the NDP race has been lacking.
He should win on the first ballot.


He's an exciting candidate. I don't know what it really is about him but he seems to have a certain leadership factor about him.
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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's "royal jelly" ... or perhaps it's the "right stuff". Or will it be Charlie Angus, who is a retro version of the NDP? ... harkening back to the good old days, when earnest 'well-meaningness' was politically salable. He also has a guitar.

Who wants more welfare state?
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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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cosmostein wrote:
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I'm watching Jagmeet Singh's leadership launch. He had over 900 people RSVP for his launch, which happened in his home riding.

Only been watching a few minutes but he's pretty good.


He is everything the NDP race has been lacking.
He should win on the first ballot.


He's an exciting candidate. I don't know what it really is about him but he seems to have a certain leadership factor about him.


In comparison to what you have currently;
He is the pinnacle of excitement.

As you stated on the last page, he should help the NDP grow in Ontario and having the Liberals and the NDP combating for the same slice of votes in Ontario is good for the CPC.
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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2017 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

( unclear how this news will effect the ndp race and if she will be able to run a serious campaign as originally planned )



Niki Ashton expecting a baby



James Munson

Monday, May 29th, 2017



Niki Ashton speaks as she participates in the first debate of the federal NDP leadership race with Guy Caron, Charlie Angus and Peter Julian, in Ottawa on Sunday, March 12, 2017. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Justin Tang



Niki Ashton announced she’s pregnant Monday.

The Manitoba MP, fresh off a debate Sunday in Sudbury with the five other challengers for the NDP leadership, said she is staying in the race during her pregnancy.

“I’m happy to share the news that I’m expecting,” said Ashton. “Like millions of Canadian women I will carry on my work. This means continuing to reach out to New Democrats, activists and progressives across the country to build a movement for social, environmental and economic justice for all.”

The NDP race is wrapping up in October; Ashton said her baby is due in November.

She will be travelling to British Columbia and the Atlantic provinces over the next two weeks.

http://ipolitics.ca/2017/05/29.....expecting/
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2017 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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( unclear how this news will effect the ndp race and if she will be able to run a serious campaign as originally planned )



Niki Ashton expecting a baby



James Munson

Monday, May 29th, 2017



Niki Ashton speaks as she participates in the first debate of the federal NDP leadership race with Guy Caron, Charlie Angus and Peter Julian, in Ottawa on Sunday, March 12, 2017. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Justin Tang



Niki Ashton announced she’s pregnant Monday.

The Manitoba MP, fresh off a debate Sunday in Sudbury with the five other challengers for the NDP leadership, said she is staying in the race during her pregnancy.

“I’m happy to share the news that I’m expecting,” said Ashton. “Like millions of Canadian women I will carry on my work. This means continuing to reach out to New Democrats, activists and progressives across the country to build a movement for social, environmental and economic justice for all.”

The NDP race is wrapping up in October; Ashton said her baby is due in November.

She will be travelling to British Columbia and the Atlantic provinces over the next two weeks.

http://ipolitics.ca/2017/05/29.....expecting/


Congrats to her;
I don't think it will effect her campaigning at all.

Four more debates before September, then a showcase.
Its a far different arrangement than the CPC system with much less travel likely because the spending limit is about 1/4 that of the CPC candidates.

The NDP system I don't believe is riding based; I think its a ranked a ballot where the first to 50% + 1 wins with the ability to change your ballot between rounds online.

Likely far less crisscrossing of the country to try and drum up support in a dozen or so of 338 ridings spread across the country as a result.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, why would being 8-months pregnant slow down your campaigning?

Doing a little arithmetic ... November ... minus 280 days = some time between Jan 24th and February 23rd when they did 'the nasty'. (You think Valentine's Day?) So, as the campaign heats up, from Labour Day onwards, she'll be in her 7th month -- still doable.

But the NDP is as twisted as the Conservative leadership election, except they will have a new ballot after each candidate is eliminated. That is, people vote online, starting in early October, whereupon if nobody gets 50%, they eliminate the bottom candidate and have another ballot, over a week's time. People get to change their votes up until the deadline. But it means the voting time will be a time of intense politicking. And Ms Ashton will be starting her ninth month!

I remember my wife, in her ninth month, sitting by bending over and then fallng into a chair, and unable to get up without help.

The winner won't be known until October 29th, at which point she would be well into her ninth month, and possibly could be within days of the blessed event.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rejected NDP leadership candidate turns to court in bid to run in contest

NDP supporters
NDP Leader Tom Mulcair supporters cheer as Mulcair arrives at a rally in Kamloops, B.C. on Tuesday Sept. 1, 2015. (Jonathan Hayward / THE CANADIAN PRESS)


Colin Perkel, The Canadian Press
Published Monday, June 5, 2017 1:31AM EDT



TORONTO - A federal New Democrat is calling on the courts to order the party to let him run in its contest to replace Tom Mulcair as leader, court filings show.

In his application to Ontario Superior Court slated to be heard on Tuesday, Brian Graff accuses the party of violating its own rules when it repeatedly disallowed his candidacy.

The party, however, maintains it would be "extraordinary and unprecedented" for the court to decide whether Graff would be suitable entrant and wants the application tossed.


"Making such a determination is purely partisan political activity," the party argues in court filings. "It would be inconsistent with democratic values and inappropriate for the judiciary to enter the political arena as the arbiter of who is suited to seek the leadership of a federal political party."

Graff, 58, who ran unsuccessfully for a Toronto council seat in 2014, was a Liberal activist for most of his adult life. However, he says he became disillusioned with the Liberals after Justin Trudeau came to office in 2015. He joined the New Democrats in August last year. On his wish list is a "full employment" policy.

"While he is a relatively new member of the NDP with some ideas that challenge party orthodoxy, Mr. Graff meets all candidacy requirements in the NDP's leadership rules," his court application states. "Yet the NDP - specifically, executive director Robert Fox and four party officers serving as an appeal committee - has now twice rejected Mr. Graff's candidacy, citing a series of shifting and irrelevant reasons."

Graff maintains the party relied on "vague and highly subjective" factors in barring him from the race, which he first tried to enter in October. Those factors include whether a candidate's actions, beliefs or attitude could hurt the NDP's reputation.

The party initially rejected Graff late last year without saying why. Graff then asked the courts to get involved, but abandoned the action after the NDP agreed to take another look at the situation, and provided him with Fox's internal emails regarding his candidacy.

Among other things, the emails note Graff's "history of litigious behaviour" and previous criticism of the NDP, the court filings show.

"We can anticipate Brian will protest his rejection which also entails some risk," Fox wrote. "But I'm inclined to think the short-term hit is much less potentially damaging than his continued participation in the race."

What was not in the emails, the filings state, was any reference to the fact that Graff received a conditional discharge in 1993 for a non-violent offence involving criminal harassment of a woman.

In April, following the promised second look, Fox cited the long-ago charge in again rejecting a Graff candidacy.

"Given the...justified public concern about issues of stalking and intimate partner violence, accepting an applicant who has been found guilty of such a crime would seriously damage our reputation, alienate a significant portion of our membership and undermine confidence in the party," Fox wrote in a letter now part of the court record.

Graff, however, argues the party has treated him badly.

"No reasonable explanation exists for this wholesale shift in the NDP's rationale for rejecting Mr. Graff, apart from a transparent attempt to discredit, embarrass and disqualify him at all costs," his factum states. "The NDP's contrived rationales for excluding him find no support in the record. They are illogical, unjust and unreasonable."

In response, the party argues that Graff may disagree that his "criminal conduct and lack of recognition or remorse for that conduct" could damage the NDP, but says there's nothing unreasonable about concerns that they could.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics.....-1.3443756
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stogran pulls out of NDP leadership race




The Canadian Press
Published Saturday, June 3, 2017 2:06PM EDT
Last Updated Saturday, June 3, 2017 5:55PM EDT


TORONTO -- One of the candidates for the NDP leadership race is quitting, blaming party insiders who he says don't want to see him win.

Pat Stogran posted a video Saturday on YouTube, saying the inside workings of the NDP are "fundamentally flawed."

"The fight to take on politics incorporated while also trying to take on the insiders of a political party that has no desire to see me win has proven insurmountable," he said in the five-minute video.



Pat Stogran
In this 2010 file photo, Pat Stogran holds a news conference at the National Press Theatre in Ottawa on August 17, 2010. (Sean Kilpatrick / THE CANADIAN PRESS)

He also said the party has put "major obstacles" in place for candidates trying to grow the party's base from the grassroots.

Stogran is a retired Canadian Armed Forces colonel who served for over 30 years, including in Afghanistan, and said serving for the greater good was his "calling in life."

He acquired a reputation for being outspoken as the former federal veterans ombudsman under the former Conservative government.

He announced his bid to run in the NDP's leadership race in April.

But in his video, Stogran said, "As I enter my golden years, I came to the conclusion that my love for family far outweighs my love for politics, especially selfish, incompetent politics."

Stogran said the NDP will never form a government until the party itself is reformed and he doesn't see any possibility of reform.

NDP National Director Robert Fox issued a statement saying the party has treated all leadership candidates the same.

"We believe the rules are fair and favour an open race. We welcome new ideas as the discussion around party renewal is a key focus of this leadership race," Fox said.

Stogran said he resigns with "huge sadness" from the race, and thanked his supporters and campaign team that stood behind him in his effort "to defeat politics incorporated."

Fellow leadership candidates took to Twitter to send best wishes to Stogran.

MP Peter Julian tweeted, "Sad to learn that ΓåòPatStogranNDP is withdrawing from the .NDPldr race -- thank you for your contribution to the debate."

MP Charlie Angus also tweeted, "Sorry to hear ΓåòPatStogran leaving the .ndpldr race. He served Canada with passion. He is an important voice for change. I wish him the best."

There are now five official candidates in the race to succeed current leader Tom Mulcair, who didn't survive a leadership review.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics.....-1.3442524
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Superior Court judge sides with NDP in blocking leadership bid

Ruling determines courts have authority to review decisions by political parties that have “very broad public impact”


Beatrice Britneff

Sunday, June 11th, 2017


An Ontario Superior Court judge has sided with the New Democratic Party in a dispute between the party’s officers and a Toronto man they prevented from running in the federal leadership race.

In a two-part ruling that first determined it is appropriate for the courts to weigh in on political parties’ internal processes when those activities have “a very broad public impact,” Justice Ian Nordheimer concluded that the party’s national director acted on reasonable grounds in rejecting Brian Graff’s leadership application twice over concerns about his “highly litigious” behaviour and his criticisms of NDP policies.

In response to the NDP’s...

http://ipolitics.ca/2017/06/11.....rship-bid/
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

( the ndp leadership race has lost one its more serious candidates which is somewhat of a surprise )



Peter Julian blames cash shortage as he quits NDP leadership race


Janice Dickson

Thursday, July 6th, 2017


NDP MP Peter Julian announced Thursday that he’s quitting the NDP leadership race because he couldn’t raise enough money.

“One of the ways members express their appreciation, express their support, is by giving financial donations,” Julian told reporters at a press conference on Parliament Hill. “In this semester that just finished we were far below where we needed to be in terms of financial donations, so I accept the verdict of the membership.

“We were not at the level we needed to be to move forward for a national campaign that’s entering the most critical phase … when the resources get...

http://ipolitics.ca/2017/07/06.....ship-race/
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am surprised that Julian couldn't raise the funds;
Prior to Singh entering the race I would have assumed he was the front-runner?

I guess it comes down to Singh and Angus based on the recent polling?
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Is that a contest?

Oh, gawd, the mind boggles. Charlie Angus, another failed punk rocker who played the government grant game through music, journalism, etc. I shudder. As if Bernie Sanders wasn't an ample dose of 60ies nostalgia, do we really want to hear the same sad wail -- we already have government education, government health care, government utilities and government environmentasl control, on top of all the Human Rights in the world -- and he'll be coming around offering more welfare state!

How about another kind of 'identity' to add to the LGBTTQQIAAP (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, transsexual, queer, questioning, intersex, asexual, ally, pansexual) list?

I don't want to think about that. So it has to be Singh!
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

( does anyone have any final thoughs on the sleepy ndp leadership race ? will they take the big risk and go with Jagmeet Singh or stick with an incumbent mp ? like Angus , it seems like many Canadians aren't paying attention either way )

NDP leadership hopefuls bring final pitches to Hamilton

Voting set to start Monday



Kelsey Johnson

Sunday, September 17th, 2017




NDP members have gathered in Hamilton to hear final pitches from the four leadership candidates as the party prepares to vote for their replacement for outgoing leader Tom Mulcair.

Sunday’s gathering comes as the party grapples with its political future – including its relationship with Quebec – ahead of the 2019 federal election.

“I do believe we can win in 2019 and I don’t think we should be shy about it,” Quebec MP Guy Caron told delegates. The party needs to regain seats in Quebec.

“Maintaining and growing support in Quebec,” he said is “essential” to the party’s success.

It’s...

http://ipolitics.ca/2017/09/17.....-hamilton/
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I'm thinking Singh is the best 'retail' politician in the running, whereas the other two have a 'return to the roots' feel. Angus is a relapse to the folk music phase of Canadian socialism, the other is harder left, more 'feminist' ... it's your choice, back to the 60ies, or back to the 80ies.

But if pandering to Quebec is the point, Singh is probably still as good as any of the other c choices. Except for language. I would personally be pleased to speak French as well as Charlie Angus but, come on now ... it isn't going to cut it in Quebec. And Singh is worse.

NDPers forget, when they go looking for another Layton, that Layton grew up in Quebec City, and he gets all the vowel sounds right.

The NDP should try and cut all associations with the scowling ex-prosecutor that formerly headed their sainted group. The NDP can't keep Quebec, it's too late for that. Imho. They should go with Singh, as their last hope of avoiding Audrey levels of support.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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( does anyone have any final thoughs on the sleepy ndp leadership race ? will they take the big risk and go with Jagmeet Singh or stick with an incumbent mp ? like Angus , it seems like many Canadians aren't paying attention either way )


The NDP seems eager to pitch Quebec to the curb.
Around 40% of their sitting caucus is from Quebec and they seem more interested in urban center style policy than retaining their existing MPs.

Their system of selecting a leader could result in nearly anything;
From the CPC perspective, Niki Ashton is the worst case scenario because she drives any remotely center or soft left of center voters from the party and returns the NDP to being the party of less than 20 seats and a non-factor in chiseling away support from the LPC.

Singh is the best case because he is personally popular in Ontario in general and in and around the 905s specifically which is a huge power based for the Liberals. Three horse races in the 905s could break for the CPC significantly.

The issue is Singh entered very late and I have no idea how many memberships he sold and how he will factor outside of Ontario.

Angus seems to be the default front-runner and while that is not terrible, he strikes me somewhat like Howard Hampton while he led the Ontario NDP.

A popular guy who you may want to have a beer with but someone who couldn't translate being a likeable person into political success.

Whoever takes on leadership is largely being set-up to fail much as Mulcair was charged with trying to maintain an unmaintainable level of support in Quebec. The next election is likely going to get worse in terms of seat count.

Of the 16 MPs the NDP has in Quebec half of them were by incredibly small margins and largely benefited from three or four way races in the ridings:

Jonquière was won by less than1% and less than 30% of the popular vote
Trois-Rivières was won by less than 2% and less than 32% of the popular vote
Drummond was won by less than 4% yet also less than 31% of the popular vote
Saint-Hyacinthe—Bagot was won by less than 1% and less than 29% of the popular vote
Beloeil—Chambly was won by less than 2% and less than 32% of the popular vote
Longueuil—Saint-Hubert was won by less than 2% and less than 32% of the popular vote
Salaberry—Suroît was won by less than 2% and less than 31% of the popular vote
Hochelaga was won by around 1% and less than 31% of the popular vote

It basically puts any of the new leaders in a position where they potentially have an eight seat deficit (likely nine as Mulcairs seat won't be retained if he isn't running) to just get back to the 2015 number
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