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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:40 am    Post subject: Trudeau we should phase out the oil sands Reply with quote

( phase out the oil sands ? and where would Canada get is oil from instead ? Saudi Arabia ? Iraq ? would that really be an improvement to our country and economy ? )

Trudeau's 'phase out' oilsands comments spark outrage in Alberta

'If [Trudeau] wants to shut down Alberta's oilsands ... he'll have to go through me,' says Wildrose leader

By Kyle Muzyka, CBC News Posted: Jan 13, 2017 12:13 PM MT| Last Updated: Jan 13, 2017 8:43 PM MT

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau sparked immediate anger among Alberta politicians on Friday by suggesting Canada should "phase out" the oilsands.

Speaking at a town hall in Peterborough, Ont., Trudeau was asked about his government's approval of pipelines and his commitment to the environment.

"You can't make a choice between what's good for the environment and what's good for the economy," Trudeau said. "We can't shut down the oilsands tomorrow. We need to phase them out. We need to manage the transition off of our dependence on fossil fuels.

"That is going to take time. And in the meantime, we have to manage that transition."
■Trudeau challenged over carbon pricing on 2nd day of town hall tour

In Alberta, both the Wildrose Party and the Progressive Conservatives were quick to condemn the statement.

"I am sick and tired of people attacking our oilsands," Wildrose Leader Brian Jean told CBC. "I truly would suggest that Mr. Trudeau keep his comments to himself when he doesn't know what he's talking about.

"We certainly don't need out-of-touch, federal politicians sounding like Jane Fonda on this topic."

Jean said the oilsands are an economic engine that powers both Alberta and Canada.

"The economic benefits of the oilsands are immeasurable," Jean, who represents Fort McMurray, said earlier in the day in a statement. "If Mr. Trudeau wants to shut down Alberta's oilsands, and my hometown, let him be warned: he'll have to go through me and four million Albertans first."

'We certainly don't need out-of-touch, federal politicians sounding like Jane Fonda on this topic.'

- Brian Jean, leader of the Wildrose

In a tweet, PC leadership candidate Jason Kenney asked if Trudeau would rather "hand over all global oil production to Saudi [Arabia], Iran [and] Qatar.

"If we end 'dependence on fossil fuels,'" Kenney asked in another tweet, "how will Justin Trudeau fly to private Caribbean islands? Planes & helicopters fuelled by pixie dust?"

Provincial government response

For her part, Alberta Premier Rachel Notley adopted a more measured tone.

"We have to remember, this is coming from a prime minister who's just approved not one but two pipelines that are going to assist in our diversifying the markets to which we sell the product coming from the oilsands," Notley told CBC Radio's The House.

She cautioned Albertans not to get "too excited" about Trudeau's comments.

"At the end of the day, this is what I know to be true: the world market for oil is not going anywhere soon. So the job of Albertans, and the job of Canadians, is to make sure that that world market looks to the oilsands, as they should, as the first choice for where they get that product from."

Countries that depend on oil imports will have an incentive to buy Alberta oil because governments and companies here are proving they can work responsibly together to produce energy and at the same time reduce greenhouse-gas emissions to protect the environment, Notley said.

"And that's why people are going to come to the oilsands for a long time to come."

Notley also released a video response on Twitter.

Varying responses

Progressive Conservative interim leader Ric McIver slammed Trudeau's comments and Notley's response.

"He needs a political smack right now," McIver said of the prime minister. "Trudeau threw Alberta under the bus today, and premier Notley is sitting on her hands playing pattycake instead of attacking on behalf of Albertans."

The president of the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers (CAPP) was diplomatic about the prime minister's comments. Tim McMillan wouldn't say whether he agreed with phasing out the oilsands, but said CAPP is looking for other ways to continue production.

"We want to de-couple the emissions from the energy," he told CBC. "I think that Canada has an opportunity to be an energy supplier for the world."

Alberta Liberal Leader David Swann issued two separate statements Friday.

"In the current international economic climate, the industry does not need any more uncertainty about its future," Swann said in the second statement. "We need our prime minister to not only support this industry, the economic engine of the country, but to communicate that clearly. Given Justin Trudeau's recent pipeline approvals, I believe he should be given the benefit of the doubt and a chance to clarify his remarks."

In an emailed statement, Greenpeace strategist Keith Stewart said the transition to other energy sources is a global trend that Canada should follow. "Even Stephen Harper signed on to the G7 commitment to phase out fossil fuels, and the only real debate is how fast this will happen," he said.

By mid-afternoon, Trudeau's office had issued its own a statement.

"The prime minister — as he and previous prime ministers, including Stephen Harper, have been saying for a long time — was reiterating the need to move away from our dependency on fossil fuels and his commitment to growing the economy, all while protecting the environment.

"As a government, we were proud to work with provinces and territories to introduce a price on carbon pollution - to create jobs and protect the environment. We are also proud of our recent announcement which will ensure that we can move Canada's natural resources to international markets."

According to a 2014 study, Alberta's oilsands contributed $91 billion of Canada's gross domestic product (GDP) that year


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

'We need to phase them out': Trudeau draws fire over oilsands remark

James Wood, Calgary Herald
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Published on: January 13, 2017 | Last Updated: January 13, 2017 6:14 PM MST

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau spoke to a packed banquet hall at the Evinrude Centre on Friday January 13, 2017 in Peterborough, Ont. at a town hall meeting that covered topics such as safe drinking water for First Nation communities, hydro rates and carbon taxes. Clifford Skarstedt/Peterborough Examiner/Postmedia Network

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s musings about phasing out the oilsands Friday were met with a barrage of criticism from Alberta’s conservative politicians and a pledge from Premier Rachel Notley that the province’s energy industry was “not going anywhere, any time soon.”

Asked at a town hall event in Peterborough about the federal government’s recent approval of Kinder Morgan’s Trans Mountain pipeline expansion, Trudeau reiterated his longstanding remarks that he is attempting to balance economic and environmental concerns.

“We can’t shut down the oilsands tomorrow. We need to phase them out. We need to manage the transition off of our dependence on fossil fuels but it’s going to take time and in the meantime we have to manage that transition,” he added.

Northern Alberta’s oilsands are a prime target for environmentalists because of their significant output of greenhouse gas emissions linked to global climate change.

Trudeau, who will be in Calgary for a cabinet retreat on Jan. 23 and 24, also said again that it is the responsibility of the national government to get Canadian resources to market.

But the PM’s oilsands comments prompted harsh words from some provincial politicians, with Wildrose Leader Brian Jean calling them a “direct attack” on Alberta while Progressive Conservative interim leader Ric McIver said he was “incredibly disappointed” in Trudeau’s remark.

Tory leadership candidates Jason Kenney, Stephen Khan and Richard Starke also took to Twitter to lambaste the PM’s phase-out talk.

In a video statement posted on social media, Notley took a more diplomatic approach, alluding to her NDP government’s climate action plan as she said pointedly that “oil and gas will help power the global economy for generations to come and our job is to make sure that Alberta’s products are the first in line.”

“Alberta’s oil and gas industry and the people who work in it are the best in the world and we’re not going anywhere, any time soon,” said Notley, who has been closely allied to Trudeau on the issues of climate change and pipelines needed to connect Alberta’s oilsands crude to new markets.

Last November, the Liberal cabinet approved the expansion of the Trans Mountain heavy oil pipeline to the British Columbia coast and the overhaul of Enbridge’s Line 3 into the United States, while rejecting Enbridge’s Northern Gateway line to B.C.

The Trudeau government has also mandated provinces put a price on carbon, such as the carbon tax developed by Alberta’s NDP government that was implemented this year.

In an interview, Jean said Trudeau’s Friday comments — coupled with his policies on carbon pricing and Gateway — are highly damaging because of the signal sent to potential oilsands investors.

“He is trying to shut down the oilsands long term. Most people recognize this is part of his agenda,” said Jean, whose Fort McMurray-Conklin riding is in the heart of the oilsands.

An aerial view of Canadian Natural Resources Limited (CNRL) oilsands mining operation near Fort McKay.

An aerial view of Canadian Natural Resources Limited (CNRL) oilsands mining operation near Fort McKay. Ryan Jackson / Edmonton Journal

On Friday afternoon, the PMO issued a statement clarifying Trudeau’s remarks.

“The Prime Minister, as he and previous Prime Ministers including Stephen Harper have been saying for a long time, was reiterating the need to move away from our dependency on fossil fuels and his commitment to growing the economy all while protecting the environment.”

In 2015, then-Prime Minister Harper committed Canada, along with other G7 nations, to phase out the use of fossil fuels by the end of this century, with the Conservative government saying at the time the pledge was “aspirational.”

Tim McMillan, president of the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers, said there has been great success in lowering emissions from the oilsands compared to production.

“Our oilsands are world-class, they are substantial and they can be an asset for Canada for a very long time,” he said, adding that they are expected be active well into the latter half of this century.

McMillan would not address Trudeau’s phase-out comment directly but said CAPP — the umbrella organization for large energy producers — is pleased the prime minister restated his desire to get resources to markets.

Keith Stewart of Greenpeace Canada said in a statement that Trudeau’s comments reflect the global transition to renewable energy and “the only real debate is how fast this will happen.”

“No one, including Greenpeace, is saying shut down the oilsands tomorrow. What we are saying is that if Trudeau is serious about his commitments … then he can’t grant pipeline permits that lock in a massive expansion of oilsands production.”


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grandmother living in 'energy poverty' makes tearful plea to PM Trudeau

Meredith MacLeod and Jeff Lagerquist, CTVNews.ca

Published Friday, January 13, 2017 10:11AM EST
Last Updated Friday, January 13, 2017 10:21PM EST

If Prime Minister Justin Trudeau hoped his whirlwind cross-country outreach tour would yield authentic exchanges with everyday Canadians, he got a heavy dose of the grassroots reality he was looking for in Peterborough, Ont., on Friday.

A grandmother tearfully confronted Trudeau about Ottawa’s planned carbon tax, saying her already steep energy bills have left her struggling to put food on the table for her family, even though she works 15 hours per day.

“How is it justified for you to ask me to pay a carbon tax when I only have $65 left in my paycheque every two weeks to feed my family?” Kathy Katula said to hearty applause at the public question-and-answer session.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau speaks with an emotional Kathy Katula, from Buckhorn, Ont. following a news conference in Peterborough, Ont. Friday Jan. 13, 2017. (Adrian Wyld/THE CANADIAN PRESS)


“I make almost $50,000 a year, Mr. Trudeau, and I’m living in energy poverty. Please tell me how are you going to fix that for me and all of us in rural Ontario?”

Last year, Trudeau announced a new nation-wide $10 per tonne carbon tax that will start in 2018 -- a price that will rise by $10 per year, topping out at $50 by 2022.

The planned policy has received harsh criticism from provincial leaders in Canada’s energy patch who warn taxing carbon will reduce household incomes. Saskatchewan Premier Brad Wall has estimated the tax will siphon more than $2.5 billion from his province's economy once fully implemented, and cost the average family $1,250 a year.

The prime minister responded that he sympathized with Katula’s plight and that she should be “focused on how you are going to spoil your grandchildren with all of your energy, as opposed to how you are going to get through the week or the day.”

Trudeau also noted the importance of ensuring financially vulnerable individuals are not “stretched beyond the limit.”

He stressed that while hydro rates are a provincial concern, it’s essential that Canada “demonstrate leadership” on renewable energy and fighting climate change.

Trudeau and Katula hugged after the meeting. The mother of four and grandmother of three who lives alone with disabilities said she hopes her story sticks with Trudeau “when he is lying in bed at night.”

The exchange wasn’t the only unflattering moment two days into the tour. The prime minister is also under fire for travelling on the private helicopter belonging to the Aga Khan, the billionaire spiritual leader whose foundation does business with the Canadian government. The Aga Khan Foundation of Canada receives tens of millions of dollars a year from Canada for humanitarian work.

The ride to a remote island owned by Khan took place while Trudeau and his family were on a recent vacation in the Bahamas. Opposition parties say he broke conflict of interest regulations. Canada’s ethics commissioner has launched a “preliminary review.”

Trudeau said he’s “happy to engage with any questions the ethics commissioner or Canadians may have” about his vacation. He said Canadians expect to have confidence in their government, which is part of the conversation he’ll be having with the ethics commissioner Mary Dawson about what he calls a "personal family vacation."

Both the Conflict of Interest Act and Trudeau’s own ethics guidelines bar the use of sponsored travel in private aircraft, allowing only for exceptional circumstances related to the job of prime minister and only with the prior approval of the ethics commissioner.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trudeau under fire after suggesting it's time to phase out Alberta's oil sands

Michael Franklin, Digital Producer

Published Friday, January 13, 2017 12:28PM MST
Last Updated Friday, January 13, 2017 6:27PM MST

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is facing a lot of heat after suggesting Canada needs to phase out the oil sands.

Trudeau made the comments at a town hall meeting in Ontario just weeks after approving pipelines.

“We can’t shut down the oil sands tomorrow,” he said. “We need to phase them out, we need to manage the transition off our dependence on fossil fuels. That is going to take time and in the meantime we need to manage the transition.”

The comments are making waves in our province.

Matt LeBlanc has been making tiny parts for massive oil wells for 10 years and many of his co-workers at A.C. Machine Works have been laid off over the last two years.

“It’s definitely part of Alberta. It makes a lot of money and it makes a lot of money for everyone in Alberta so I wouldn’t agree with closing that.”

The leader of Alberta’s opposition, Brian Jean has much harsher words for the prime minister.

“I’m really sick and tired of people attacking our oilsands and our economy and our economic engine of our entire country,” Jean said. “If Justin Trudeau plans on shutting down and phasing out our oil sands, he’s going to have to come through four million people and me before he is able to do it.”

However, Premier Rachel Notley is much more forgiving says his remarks are being misinterpreted.

“I don’t really expect he was talking about any kind of short term phase out because you wouldn’t approve two pipelines to tidewater if that’s what you thought.”

Those whose livelihoods depend on the oil sands say it’s hard not to be insulted.

“With all the money that Alberta sends back to the east coast, it's hard to say that we're not part, or we're not doing our part our here,” says LeBlanc. “It’s definitely not what you want to hear.”

“I think Canadians need to be aware that if indeed he goes through with his plan Canada will be much poorer as a result,” says jean.

The Alberta Liberal Party stated it is giving Trudeau the benefit of the doubt but they want him to clarify exactly what he meant because the oil sands are important to Alberta’s economy.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is supposed to be his 'listening tour' ... you know, like Hillary Clinton had. And now he's talking crazy.

I hope he goes to Red Deer.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oil sands will get phased out by market forces unless there's new investment, and who wants to invest billions in high cost oil sands production? Even without new carbon taxes US shale is cheaper and getting more investment. The best thing that could happen for Alberta and North American oil is if Trump actually bans Saudi/OPEC oil.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

( trudeau is claiming Saskatchewan won't be hurt by a carbon tax ? really does he expect anyone to believe that )

Carbon tax won’t adversely hurt Saskatchewan: Prime Minister Justin Trudeau

By The Canadian Press — Jan 25 2017

SASKATOON — Saskatchewan shouldn't be adversely affected by the federal government's proposed carbon levy, despite heavy criticism from the premier and industry groups, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Wednesday.

Speaking in Saskatoon, Trudeau said people in the province will benefit from pipeline projects that his government has just approved.

"But as I've said from the very beginning, the only way to move forward on the economy in the 21st century is to make sure that we're doing right by the environment at the same time," he said.

"On the issue of folks in Saskatchewan being vulnerable to carbon pricing, the fact is every penny collected in Saskatchewan will stay in Saskatchewan. It will be up to Premier (Brad) Wall to determine how to best help those most vulnerable."

Businessmen, farmers and rural politicians have sent a letter to Trudeau saying his plan to charge $10 per tonne of carbon starting in 2018 — increasing to $50 by 2022 — will hurt the provincial economy.

The letter's signatories echo concerns from Wall that the federal government has not properly examined how the levy will affect various industries.

The groups, ranging from the Saskatchewan Association of Rural Municipalities and chambers of commerce to the heavy construction association, say the levy will cost producers and businesses in competitiveness and income.

"Addressing climate change, protecting the environment and supporting economic development is a process that requires collaboration between all stakeholders," the letter stated.

"We respectfully request the federal government to reverse its decision on the requirement of provinces and territories to implement a price on carbon by 2018 until adequate research and consultation on the matter have been undertaken."

After a town-hall meeting with Trudeau on Wednesday night, SARM president Ray Orb, who penned the letter, said he was "a little disappointed" with Trudeau's response on the issue.

"I think that the federal government should have done more consultation on this," he said. "I know it was an election promise and I know that the prime minister signed onto the Paris accord, so that committed Canada. But at the same time, I think we should be given time to show the rest of the country what our made-in-Saskatchewan formula is for greenhouse gas emissions.

"I think we're already doing some of that because we're sequestering carbon in the agriculture sector, we're doing it in forestry, we're doing it in native pasture land. We're doing a good job of it already and I don't think we should be penalized for it."

Trudeau has warned carbon pricing will be imposed on provinces that don't implement the tax or bring in a cap-and-trade system. Wall has said the federal government has not explained how that will be enforced and has suggested it could be challenged in court.

"There will be things upon which we disagree," Trudeau said about Wall's opposition to the carbon pricing plan. "That's just fine because we have a country that works best when people of different perspectives come together to serve our citizens the best way we can."


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kevin Libin: Why is Alberta’s economy the only one the Trudeau Liberals are plotting to ‘phase out’?

Kevin Libin | January 30, 2017 6:25 PM ET
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Which Canadian leader will finally lay out a national plan to phase out Ontario’s auto industry?

Obviously, with the auto sector accounting for half-a-million jobs in Canada, at least 1,200 Ontario parts and equipment suppliers, and about 20 per cent of Ontario’s GDP and 12 per cent of Canada’s, it’s not something we can phase out tomorrow, naturally. But the more than two-million vehicles produced in Ontario annually burn billions of litres of carbon-heavy gasoline every year, emitting tens of millions of tonnes of carbon dioxide. This cannot go on.

Even if we could make the entire sector switch, against sensible economics, to hybrids and electric vehicles (Ontario’s factories currently only produce one of each of those), the sheer volume of carbon emissions connected to mining the metals and producing the steel, rubber and plastics for these alternate vehicles would often equal the CO2 levels spewed by the gasoline vehicles over their lifetime. This industry has no place in Canada’s carbonless future. Any forward-thinking government would be prudent to at least begin preparing for a post-auto-sector Ontario.

So, what’s with the announcement earlier this month of the federal and Ontario governments offering Honda $84 million to expand its factory in Alliston, Ont.? Was it a massive bureaucratic error? Days later, the prime minister was unambiguous at his listening tour stop in Calgary: “I have talked repeatedly about the fact we need to get off of fossil fuels.” Surely he hastily cancelled the cheque before Honda cashed it.

No other major petro-power is making plans to kill off a critical industry
Trudeau was telling that Calgary audience about our need to phase ourselves off oil in explaining how he “misspoke” when he told an Ontario audience that we need to phase off Alberta oil. At a Peterborough, Ont. listening stop a week earlier he had remarked “We can’t shut down the oilsands tomorrow (but we) need to phase them out” to “transition off our dependence on fossil fuels.”

That ignited outraged controversy in Alberta, where oil and the oilsands make up a huge part of the economy and account for a huge number of jobs. “I misspoke. I said something the way I shouldn’t have said it,” said Trudeau, confronted in Calgary. What he meant to say, he clarified, was that we need to end our dependence on and phase out fossil fuels, including the oilsands, but that would take time: “100 years from now we probably are not going to be using it for our fuel and energy sources.” Not tomorrow. See the difference?

Maybe not. But here’s something you might notice: While the Liberal government is clear it eventually wants Alberta out of the oil business, it says nothing about plans to shut down other provinces’ carbon-intensive industries, whether it’s Ontario’s auto and steel factories, Quebec’s airplane makers, or Saskatchewan’s farmers. More often, as with the Honda factory or bailouts for Bombardier, politicians keep paying fortunes to keep those carbon-unfriendly businesses growing. Yet Alberta’s been put on notice that its primary industry — one that catapulted the province out of the agrarian era and is now responsible for at least one-fifth of its economy and supports hundreds of thousands of jobs — is being planned out of existence.

And it isn’t by market forces: The most recent International Energy Agency outlook projects demand for oil growing for decades yet, while “investment in oil and gas remains essential to meet demand and replace declining production.” It’s entirely by government design. The last time Ottawa shut down a province’s key industry, it was in Newfoundland, where closing the northern cod fishery left the province in economic collapse, crushed in spirit, and with an unemployment rate over 20 per cent. Its fortunes finally improved when luck put it alongside Alberta as a major oil-producing province. Ottawa would now phase that industry out, too.

Is it an overstatement to solely blame Ottawa for dooming the oilsands? Is there another nation, anywhere, with vast oil reserves it intends to obsolesce? No other major petro-power has announced any such plans. Quite the opposite: energy superpowers, specifically the U.S. and Russia, are aggressively amassing even larger oil and gas holdings.

Nor have the Trudeau Liberals announced how they expect to replace a resource now powering almost one-tenth of Canada’s economy. They have nothing to replace the tens of billions of dollars fossil fuel producers and their service companies put into our economy each year, and the $30 billion that they annually send to various levels of governments literally from coast to coast to coast.

Never before, once, in the history of all mankind, has a committee of politicians correctly predicted the state of technology, the economy or the environment a century in advance. We can barely guess them a year in advance. Trudeau still thinks of oil one-dimensionally, as a “fuel and energy source,” but it has already been adapted for countless applications, from pharmaceuticals to clothing. What it will be used decades hence, how it will be used, or what innovations will mitigate its environmental impacts, are things no government planner can even have the remotest inkling about.

So there’s great danger in a government talking of gradually “phasing out” a key industry, however that’s phrased. When governments begin to believe something is doomed, they deprioritize it. Their policies might treat that industry less fairly. They will tacitly, or perhaps overtly, discourage investment in it, diverting it elsewhere. They hatch a self-fulfilling prophecy.

It’s trite to point out that no one could have foreseen in 1917 the technologies of today, but that lesson somehow eludes Canada’s policy-makers. Other oil-producing countries are navigating the global energy economy as it actually is. Only Canada’s politicians are so arrogant to believe themselves capable of deciding exactly what to phase out, and what not to, in centrally planning the economy of the 22nd century.

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