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PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 2:23 pm    Post subject: The Drift towards War with Russia Reply with quote

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Make No Mistake: Su-24 Downing by Turkey a 'Clear Act of War' – US Author

Make no mistake, US author Stephen Lendman stresses, by downing Russia's Su-24 aircraft Turkey committed a clear act of war against a nonthreatening nation.

By striking Russia's Su-24 Turkey has obviously committed an act of aggression against Russia; however, it is highly naive to believe that President Erdogan acted alone, unilaterally deciding to attack the Russian plane,{Emphasis added] US author and syndicated columnist Stephen Lendman emphasizes.

In his latest piece for Global Research Lendman calls attention to the fact that Ankara's obvious lies about the Russian Su-24 entering the Turkish airspace being warned almost "ten times" have been accepted as the truth by Western leaders and NATO officials.

"As we have repeatedly made clear, we stand in solidarity with Turkey and support the territorial integrity of our NATO Ally, Turkey," NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said in an official statement after the emergency meeting requested by Ankara.

​Stoltenberg also added: "I have previously expressed my concerns about the implications of the military actions of the Russian Federation close to NATO's borders."


I have to interject here. This is a little rich, when NATO is funding and supporting military intervention in the Ukraine, less than 300 miles from Moscow! Continuing...

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Needless to say, Washington dominates NATO policy, Lendman stresses, adding that the Alliance's statements clearly reflect US interests.

Washington and NATO have immediately sided with Turkey turning a deaf ear to Russia's official statement that the Syrian Air Defense Forces, as well as objective monitoring data, confirms that the Russian aircraft had not entered Turkish airspace.

[....]

What will Russia do in response?

Lendman stresses that Russian General Staff official Sergey Rudskoy announced that the air defense of the Hmeymim airbase, where the Russian Aerospace Forces group is stationed, would be reinforced. Rudskoy warned that henceforth every target posing a potential threat will be destroyed.

​On Thursday, RIA Novosti reported that Russia's S-400 Triumf next generation surface-to-air missile system has already been deployed to the Hmeymim airbase in Syria.

​On the other hand, the Russian government has discussed a series of restrictive economic measures against Turkey in the wake of the incident.

"[President] Putin, [Prime Minister] Medvedev and other Russian officials know Turkey is complicit with Washington in recruiting, arming, funding, training and directing ISIS elements along with other terrorists on its territory, aiding their free movement cross-border into Syria and Iraq and back," the geopolitical analyst underscores.

Russia's Economic Development Minister Ulyukayev stated Thursday that the Turkish Stream gas pipeline project as well as the Akkuyu Nuclear Power Plant would fall under the restrictive economic measures currently mulled by the Russian government.

"Erdogan's reckless act, with virtually certain US support, destroys chances for East-West cooperation against terrorism — at the same time, upping the stakes for direct confrontation. The Doomsday Clock inched closer to midnight," Lendman warns grimly.
http://sputniknews.com/politic.....-nato.html


As the facts become clear, it seems that Obama has given the 'green light' to the Turkish intervention, and may even have solicited it. He is, after all, the world's leading exponent of 'leading from behind'.

Why? What is to be gained? Does anyone even care?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2015 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pat Buchanan's thoughts ...

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.... Turkey's decision to shoot down a Russian warplane was a provocative and portentous act.

That Sukhoi Su-24, which the Turks say intruded into their air space, crashed and burned -- in Syria. One of the Russian pilots was executed while parachuting to safety. A Russian rescue helicopter was destroyed by rebels using a U.S. TOW missile. A Russian marine was killed.

"A stab in the back by the accomplices of terrorists," said Vladimir Putin of the first downing of a Russian warplane by a NATO nation in half a century. Putin has a point, as the Russians are bombing rebels in northwest Syria, some of which are linked to al-Qaida.

As it is impossible to believe Turkish F-16 pilots would fire missiles at a Russian plane without authorization from President Tayyip Recep Erdogan, we must ask: Why did the Turkish autocrat do it?

Why is he risking a clash with Russia?

[....] Was the U.S. government aware Turkey might attack Russian planes? Did we give Erdogan a green light to shoot them down?

These are not insignificant questions.

For Turkey is a NATO ally. And if Russia strikes back, there is a possibility Ankara will invoke Article V of NATO and demand that we come in on their side in any fight with Russia.

And Putin was not at all cowed. Twenty-four hours after that plane went down, his planes, ships and artillery were firing on those same Turkmen rebels and their jihadist allies.

Politically, the Turkish attack on the Sukhoi Su-24 has probably aborted plans to have Russia join France and the U.S. in targeting ISIS, a diplomatic reversal of the first order.

Indeed, it now seems clear that in Syria's civil war, Turkey is on the rebel-jihadist side, with Russia, Iran and Hezbollah on the side of the Syrian regime.

But whose side are we on?
http://townhall.com/columnists...../page/full


People like Pat Buchanan asks questions to imply the answer. I think it is close to inconceivable that Turkey would take on Russia like this without assurances, at a minimum, that that NATO would have his back. But it is also possible that the Obama administration solicited Turkey to take this action.

It's fascinating that both the Russian bomber and the rescue helicopter were brought down by nominally opposing armies, both armed with American high-tech weapons.

World War I was started by a small incident like this.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2015 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Russian minister of defense made some announcements that are frightening. They have established that ISIS if financed through the sale of oil to Turkey, a NATO and EU member. They claim that the revenues come to over a $billion.

The oil sales are described as a 'family business' because the leadership of Turkey is intimately involved.

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Russia Presents Detailed Evidence Of ISIS-Turkey Oil Trade

On Monday, Turkey’s sultan President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said something funny. In the wake of Vladimir Putin’s contention that Russia has additional proof of Turkey’s participation in Islamic State’s illicit crude trade, Erdogan said he would resign if anyone could prove the accusations.

Now obviously, conclusive evidence that Ankara is knowingly facilitating the sale of ISIS crude will probably be hard to come by, at least in the short-term, but the silly thing about Erdogan’s pronouncement is that we’re talking about a man who was willing to plunge his country into civil war over a few lost seats in Parliament. The idea that he would ever “step down” is patently absurd.

But that’s not what’s important. What’s critical is that the world gets the truth about who’s financing and facilitating “Raqqa’s Rockefellers.” If a NATO member is supporting this, and if the US has refrained from bombing ISIS oil trucks for 14 months as part of an understanding with Erdogan, well then we have a problem. For those who need a review, see the following four pieces: [These are at the origin site, but not all of them can be reproduce here. - Bugs]

The Most Important Question About ISIS That Nobody Is Asking
Meet The Man Who Funds ISIS: Bilal Erdogan, The Son Of Turkey's President
How Turkey Exports ISIS Oil To The World: The Scientific Evidence
ISIS Oil Trade Full Frontal: "Raqqa's Rockefellers", Bilal Erdogan, KRG Crude, And The Israel Connection
Unfortunately for Ankara, The Kremlin is on a mission to blow this story wide open now that Turkey has apparently decided it’s ok to shoot down Russian fighter jets. On Wednesday, we get the latest from Russia, where the Defense Ministry has just finished a briefing on the Islamic State oil trade. Not to put too fine a point on it, but Turkey may be in trouble.

First, here’s the bullet point summary via Reuters:

RUSSIA'S DEFENCE MINISTRY SAYS RUSSIA'S AIR STRIKES IN SYRIA HELPED TO ALMOST HALVE ILLEGAL OIL TURNOVER
RUSSIA'S DEFENCE MINISTRY SAYS TURKISH PRESIDENT AND FAMILY INVOLVED IN BUSINESS WITH ISLAMIC STATE OIL
RUSSIAN DEFENCE MINISTRY SAYS WILL CONTINUE STRIKES IN SYRIA ON ISLAMIC STATE OIL INFRASTRUCTURE
RUSSIA'S DEFENCE MINISTRY SAYS KNOWS OF THREE ROUTES BY WHICH ISLAMIC STATE OIL IS DIRECTED TO TURKEY
RUSSIAN DEFENCE MINISTRY SAYS TO PRESENT NEXT WEEK INFORMATION SHOWING TURKEY HELPING ISLAMIC STATE
That’s the Cliff’s Notes version and the full statement from Deputy Minister of Defence Anatoly Antonov is below. Let us be the first to tell you, Antonov did not hold back.

In the opening address, the Deputy says the ISIS oil trade reaches the highest levels of Turkey's government. He also says Erdogan wouldn’t resign if his face was smeared with stolen Syrian oil. Antonov then blasts Ankara for arresting journalists and mocks Erdogan’s “lovely family oil business.” Antonov even calls on the journalists of the world to "get involved" and help Russia "expose and destroy the sources of terrorist financing."

"Today, we are presenting only some of the facts that confirm that a whole team of bandits and Turkish elites stealing oil from their neighbors is operating in the region," Antonov continues, setting up a lengthy presentation in which the MoD shows photos of oil trucks, videos of airstrikes and maps detailing the trafficking of stolen oil. The clip is presented here with an English voice-over. Enjoy.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/.....-oil-trade


[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMA4B2ZnQ2o[/youtube]

It is reported that it is widely felt, in Syria, that the US knows about these arrangments, and is cooperating by refusing to bomb the oil fields or interfere with the transportation of that oil. As a result, the US is even more mistrusted the region.

This implies that the Obama administration is aware of all of this.

Not good.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2015 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This video has a short interview of Stephen Kotkin, a expert on Russia, and most recently the author of a three volume study of Stalin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwyAq3p9Vro
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