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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 7:11 am    Post subject: Obama using IRS to build 'Enemies List'. Reply with quote

AS huge new scandal has erupted in the US -- on top of the Benghazi cover-up.

It is now clear that the Democrats have been using information gathered by the IRS as you would expect a bunch of Chicago gangsters to. First, and most obviously, they have been intimidating and harassing financial supporters of the Tea Party, as well as other outspoken Republicans. Second, they have created an 'enemies list'.

This is the kind of stuff that was in Nixon's articles of impeachment, and which led to his resignation.

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A Few of the Crazy Things the IRS Asked Conservative Groups to Divulge Add Up to a Pattern and Purpose

Mary Katherine Ham rounds up 10 of the crazy things that the IRS sought from conservative and Tea Party groups during its abusive phase. Iíll focus on a few of those.

1. The IRS wanted every bit of information that these organizations had on their members.

Much of that information would allow the IRS to identify individual members of the targeted groups. Not just staff and donors, but members.

2. The IRS wanted information on the groupsí past and present employees and their relationships, with a special focus on familial relationships.

3. Just in case Point 2 wasnít clear enough, yes, family members must be included.

4. Everything you turn over to the IRS will go public.

The information that the IRS sought went well beyond what it could reasonably have been seeking in the name of determining whether the groups qualified for the tax exemption. It was seeking enough information to build out a full network of every one of the conservative groups and be able to database them and cross-link them with each other. That the information would have been public is a tell of one place it would have ended up: In the computers of the data-driven Obama campaign and its allies. Anyone else seeking it would probably have had a tougher time getting their hands on it, but the Obama campaign, the Media Matters crew, any Democrat opposition researcher ó they would have gotten it.

Based on the Obama campaignís love of all things data and its behavior toward Romney donors, itís pretty clear that gathering the information through the IRS was not the end game, it was a stop on the way to an end: Public exposure, humiliation and attack against the individuals that the IRS had scooped up on these forms ó donors, staff, members, and their families. Secondarily, anyone thinking about donating to or working with any of the targeted groups would have to think twice about the consequences that might follow their exercise of their free speech rights. There are a lot of people out there with messy divorces, bankruptcies and other skeletons in their closets. Just ask Jack Ryan how sensitive Obama and company are with unflattering private information.

Itís clear from the questions above that while the IRS may not have had an enemies list when its intrusive questioning regime began in 2010, it was building one, and a very large and sophisticate one at that.
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013.....o-divulge/


Read the whole article if you are interested. The details of the questions asked of applicants didn't copy, but are at the original site.
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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the problem with the Presidential System.
The second term of a President can be as questionable and lawless as they can get away
with.

In a few short months as the Democratic Pre-Primary season begins the Presidential hopefuls will be using the IRS to distance themselves from Obama and Benghazi to attack Clinton with and there will be zero accountability for either.
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

... ahem ... this didn't start in 2012. This started in 2009.

You can't lay this off on the 'system' ... if you want to compare the presidential system to the Parliamentary system, you have to acknowledge that a PM, operating with a majority, is not constrained by much, either.

A key part of this is the role the media has been playing. Nobody wants to look at that, but when the media abdicates its responsibility across the board, any democratic political leader effectively escapes the ultimate controls, which is public opinion.

And the media has essentially drawn a curtain around Obama's performance. Look at how they are trying to minimize the Benghazi fiasco even yet. Look, too, at how they are trying to protect Hillary, and how they go further, diverting attention from the fact that the whole thing was swept under the carpet during an election campaign, to the immense advantage of the Democrats. And the media played ball ...

Now, the backlog of incompetent decisions has built to the point where it can hardly be ignored. This isn't just Rush Limbaugh and Fox News, both who have been demonized by the media at the instigation of the President. The media sees its duty as ensuring that America's first 'black' President doesn't look like a goof, and anyone who doesn't agree is a racist.

The present US government is headed by a bunch of thuggish Chicago politicians of dubious competence, and that's the truth.
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugs wrote:
... ahem ... this didn't start in 2012. This started in 2009.

You can't lay this off on the 'system' ... if you want to compare the presidential system to the Parliamentary system, you have to acknowledge that a PM, operating with a majority, is not constrained by much, either.


Except no one bother to drag it up till now, where the heck was this last summer?

This is EXACTLY what they should have made the 2012 election about.

The system is flawed this situation simply places a magnifying glass on how flawed;
The Presidential system allows for a second term with zero accountability, at least in the confines of a Parliamentary government even after a majority mandate the leader or at a minimum the bulk of the ministers have to stand and face the electorate.

In 2016 no one from this current Presidents administration will be held up for scrutiny from the electorate (unless we are in an unlikely situation that Biden is the nom) and that is the problem.
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are ignoring the role the media played in this last election. They actually succeeded in creating a fictional 'war against women' where none existed, for instance. (Remember Sandra Fluke?)

It isn't that you don't have a point, but it's a kind of 'political sciency' point. Against your case we have to remember what Jean Chretien got away with.

My point is that the media are failing in their function, and have become corrupt, and that the American system depends upon a free press to inform a mobilized electorate, as the court of final appeal. All these corporate take-overs leave the media largely in the hands of big multinationals who extract benefits in one corporate guise while they deliver support with another. Look at the NBC/MSNBC/General Electric nexus as an example.

How much better is it in Canada? Look at the Bell Canada/CTV nexus, as an example. Bell Media owns 28 conventional stations, including CTV, Canada's top television network, and owns and operates 30 specialty channels. Rogers and Shaw are other behemoths in the arena. You can see their power in that fact that these state regulated monopolies are turning such amazing profits that they can buy up all kinds of other assets -- cell phone companies, etc. Canadian ownership rules just keep other bidders out of the auction.

The result is Canadians pay premium prices for mediocre services in all these industries.

A further irony is -- a few years back, before the 2008 crash, a civil service pension fund was looking to buy Bell Telephone. Nice, eh, government employees using their lavish pension funds to buy up state regulated monopolies that control big parts of the media leviathan. No conflicts with the public interest there, no doubt!

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The situation just keeps getting worse for Obama. Tapping the phones of reporters was probably a mistake.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Three weeks later, and the daily revelations about the degree of surveillance we are all under ... makes these charges seem a little less abstract. It's true, American officials can't get into the content of the phone calls themselves, but they can draw conclusions that entitle them to get the search warrants they need to do so.

Tie this to the administration's use of the IRS, and their other insensitivities on civil rights, and it seem to present a scary future.
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