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 Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:04 am Post subject: |
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| Progressive Tory wrote: | | With Trudeau as leader he might be able to draft some well experienced star candidates who could compensate for his inexperience in some areas, or rather most. |
In Quebec; for days!
Even BC he may be able to secure some talent.
However at the end of the day the Liberals still exist in the same space that the NDP does in terms of attempting to secure support, they are simply the PC's to the NDP's CA
Sooner or later someone is going to have to float something that is fiscally right of center. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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The Liberals would be smart to even pick out just a few "right-wing" policies to promote in the west, or even more populist policies. The Reform Party swept the west with their brand of right-wing populism. Preston Manning wanted to reform MPs pensions, while this is a popular policy among small c conservatives and libertarians many New Democrats and Liberals agree. It would be an excellent policy for the Liberals to promote to the west, and throughout Canada. I'd like to see the idea of privatizing Canada Post put out there for discussion, this again is something that appeals to those on the right but doesn't necessarily alienate those on the left. When I mentioned Dion's Green Shift recently, I said that I thought it would have been smart had he promoted greater tax cuts, maybe even a flat tax or less tax brackets.
One thing that I've also seen economist, and some conservative, criticize is Harper's tax credits. While this might be more controversial the party could look at getting rid of many of the tax credits in favour of income tax cuts.
While Trudeau or any leader will likely try and promote the idea of Canada as a whole and try and criticize Harper and Mulcair's divisive regional politics, they would be wise not to continue to promote these big national programs. The gun registry is gone thanks to Harper and Mulcair wants to bring it back if he becomes Prime Minister, the Liberals in my opinion would be wise to say "while we agree with registering guns we are not going to impose a registry on provinces. If a province wants to setup their own registry we will assist them". Western Canadians don't have to put up with registering guns and Quebec, Ontario and Nova Scotia could have registries at their own expense.
If Trudeau becomes leader the first thing he should do is say the NEP was a mistake and now the country has an Official Opposition Leader content on bringing it back. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:39 am Post subject: |
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| Progressive Tory wrote: | | the Liberals in my opinion would be wise to say "while we agree with registering guns we are not going to impose a registry on provinces. If a province wants to setup their own registry we will assist them". Western Canadians don't have to put up with registering guns and Quebec, Ontario and Nova Scotia could have registries at their own expense. |
That is a brilliant approach;
However while Bob Rae is not running for leadership, him and the 416 MP's still exist.
If Justin can actually force policy on the executive then a world of respect to him.
| Progressive Tory wrote: | | If Trudeau becomes leader the first thing he should do is say the NEP was a mistake and now the country has an Official Opposition Leader content on bringing it back. |
While I think a hat in hand apology to Western Canada in general and Alberta is specific is a good idea, the Liberal brand is dead and buried west of Ontario.
Its a good gesture for the future; but the Liberals need to rebuild a base that is actually viable not attempt to hold a séance for the rubble of the Liberal party in the West.
Quebec, Ontario and maybe Vancouver proper but for the Liberals to have some degree of chance in the West they need to go hard right, and hard right costs them Quebec which is far easier for them to win then seats in Alberta for example.
If Justin wins leadership the goal has to be simple;
35 seats in Quebec
25 seats in Ontario
15 seats in Eastern Canada
5 seats in Western Canada
80 Seats, a return to the Toronto/Montreal powerbase and then fundraise, oppose, and come up with viable alternative policy. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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| I think the Liberals have potential for growth in the West, especially if Mulcair doesn't recover there. They currently hold four seats in western Canada and I think they could pick up some in Winnipeg and Vancouver. |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Didn't realize that once someone made a donation to a leadership candidate they can't make another donation in a subsequent year. |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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Deborah Coyne has entered the race and some of her ideas aren't to bad, she's definitely not a hardcore lefty.
http://www.deborahcoyne.ca/ |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:03 am Post subject: |
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| Progressive Tory wrote: | | I think the Liberals have potential for growth in the West, especially if Mulcair doesn't recover there. They currently hold four seats in western Canada and I think they could pick up some in Winnipeg and Vancouver. |
I guess the question I would ask is define growth?
The Liberals should be able to get up to 12 - 14 seats, but now that the West is over 100 seats that is about as unimpressive as the Tories and their previous 10 seat victories in Quebec. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:06 am Post subject: |
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| Progressive Tory wrote: | Deborah Coyne has entered the race and some of her ideas aren't to bad, she's definitely not a hardcore lefty.
http://www.deborahcoyne.ca/ |
Very interesting;
Some of her ideas are vastly different then what we have seen from this LPC since Martin left, (The economic barriers between provinces for example). |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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Coyne mentioned allowing more private health care services, which I think is great. Her carbon tax idea would see all money generated from the tax go back to the provinces that the money is generated in, instead of the federal government. I hadn't been a big fan of a carbon tax but I'm not totally opposed to the idea. She mentioned how ridiculous it is that Newfoundland and Labrador can't transmit power to Ontario through Quebec. Another thing I'd be interested in is her idea about getting rid of tax credits. I've come to feel that tax credits are stupid and useless and that income taxes should just be lowered instead, I'm not sure of her thoughts on reducing income taxes. She also wants to end supply management!
She doesn't stand a chance of winning but she has the potential to generate conversation on important bold idea. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Progressive Tory wrote: |
She doesn't stand a chance of winning but she has the potential to generate conversation on important bold idea. |
Agreed;
The idea of allowing NFLD to provide power to Ontario is great but it destroys whats left of Liberal support in Quebec, going to war with Hydro Quebec is a Eastern version of NEP.
Its nice to see that some conservative ideas will at least be represented in the race. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Maybe Trudeau will turn out to be a conservative? :D |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Progressive Tory wrote: | | Maybe Trudeau will turn out to be a conservative? :D |
:)
Whatever you are smoking I would invite you to offer some to the class
:lol: |
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gimbol
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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Any leadership candidate that spouts off about a carbon tax, is DOA.
All it proves is that the liberals are still stuck in the past thinking they can sell the idea by telling different demographics that somebody else will pay it.
We however can from experience, see through the BS and know that such a tax would not only apply to consumption but on income as well. In other words a tax on everybody for everything.
The only support such a policy gets is to split the socialist vote with the NDP and Harper wins another majority. :lol: |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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| gimbol wrote: | Any leadership candidate that spouts off about a carbon tax, is DOA.
All it proves is that the liberals are still stuck in the past thinking they can sell the idea by telling different demographics that somebody else will pay it.
We however can from experience, see through the BS and know that such a tax would not only apply to consumption but on income as well. In other words a tax on everybody for everything.
The only support such a policy gets is to split the socialist vote with the NDP and Harper wins another majority. :lol: |
How is having a carbon tax a stuck in the past idea? It's a pretty new concept that is supported by people fom all different political backgrounds. We also have three provinces that have brought in carbon taxes in recent years. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:48 am Post subject: |
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I would argue that a Carbon Tax being pushed while we are running a deficit and gas prices are high is a bad political move;
Especially from a party that doesnt have the money to counter the way it will be painted politically by their opponent. |
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