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 Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:33 am Post subject: |
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| queenmandy85 wrote: | | Canadian voters tend to vote against someone, rather than for someone. With that in mind, when it comes time to vote the CPC out, would it not be prudent to have a viable centerist party to form a government instead of Mulcair's NDP. It is a mistake to attempt to destroy the party that most resembles the CPC because the pendulum will swing against Harper,- that is inevitable,- and without a strong Liberal Party, we will get Mulcair. |
That's what I'm always afraid of. |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:58 am Post subject: |
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| Progressive Tory wrote: | While Trudeau may seem like the greatest gift to the Conservatives he is popular in polling. A new Ipsos Reid poll, like most that have been done, shows that people have a favourable impression of him. Polls shouldn't be taken to seriously but the guy is obviously popular.
http://www.canada.com/news/Can.....story.html |
I don't doubt that based on what most Canadians have seen they would like the guy;
In the same way that Dion and Iggy both had favorable popularity numbers compared to Harper.
Trudeau standing on stage at the debate next to Mulcair and Harper will look like that first Christmas when you got to sit at the adult table.
The name "Trudeau" also polarizes the West to make that bedrock support will become as rock solid as rhenium diboride.
It also makes Quebec the battleground, and as the Tories don't need Quebec I have no problem with the Liberals and NDP blowing each others brains out over 78 seats. |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:01 am Post subject: |
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| queenmandy85 wrote: | | Canadian voters tend to vote against someone, rather than for someone. With that in mind, when it comes time to vote the CPC out, would it not be prudent to have a viable centerist party to form a government instead of Mulcair's NDP. It is a mistake to attempt to destroy the party that most resembles the CPC because the pendulum will swing against Harper,- that is inevitable,- and without a strong Liberal Party, we will get Mulcair. |
I fully agree.
There needs to be a strong-ish centerist party in Canada.
Just strong enough to wrap their hands around Mulcair and the NDP's ankle across Canada. |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:26 am Post subject: |
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| I'd like to see a liberal party in Canada. |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:59 am Post subject: |
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| Progressive Tory wrote: | | I'd like to see a liberal party in Canada. |
I would go even a step further;
I would like to see a Liberal Party in Canada as a strong official opposition. |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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The current Liberal Party really aren't much different then the NDP anymore.
Unless they select a leader who's ready to be a bit more "liberal" then I don't know if there is much sense for them not to join with the NDP. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:27 am Post subject: |
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Its true, but I find it so interesting because of the make-up of their caucus that their executive continues to push left on the fiscal side.
Mulcair is attempting the same route that Martin, Dion, Iggy, and currently Rae failed with.
He wants to out Liberals the Liberals in the same manner that the Liberals tried to out NDP the NDP.
If the NDP wants to take the battle to the center then the Liberals need to return to their early 2000's approach. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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| I would have figured this Liberal caucus would have been a bit more moderate but that doesn't appear to be the case. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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Off topic a bit.
I've been thinking lately how stupid the Liberals were in 2008 when led by Stephane Dion. I actually still don't mind Dion, he is much better than Ignatieff and Rae in my opinion even though he isn't as strong a communicator. I've been thinking though how dumb Dion was to work with Elizabeth May and the Green Party to try and get her elected, as well as have her join the debate. While I agree that she should have been in the debate, due to them holding a seat in the Commons, the main reasons he took part was because of Dion. As well the Green Shift had the potential to basically annihilate May and the Green Party, yet a large number of Liberals appeared to move to the Greens. I'd say the Liberals had the potential to win at least 3% of the Green vote, had they been smarter. If they had been polling higher because of this then they may not have had support bleed to the NDP.
A final thing I will say is that had the Liberals campaigned for greater bolder tax cuts in the Green Shift they probably could have lured conservatives into the party. Imagine if they had campaigned on a flat income tax once the Green Shift was implemented, or even just less tax brackets. |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:34 am Post subject: |
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| Just heard on 580 CFRA 11am news that Bob Rae has said he will not run for permanent leader. |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:35 am Post subject: |
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| Yay no Rae! |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:02 am Post subject: |
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| Well if Trudeau runs it might be a refreshing kick in the ass for all the old farts that normally run. You don't have to be old to be wise do you? Especially the dictatorship that Harper has run since taking over the Cons and moving to the center........ |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:04 am Post subject: |
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| tpsdoodle wrote: | | Well if Trudeau runs it might be a refreshing kick in the ass for all the old farts that normally run. You don't have to be old to be wise do you? Especially the dictatorship that Harper has run since taking over the Cons and moving to the center........ |
Yeah;
I look forward to the right of center party the Liberals will become under Justin Trudeau and his strong conservative values. |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:07 am Post subject: |
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| Pissedoff wrote: | | Just heard on 580 CFRA 11am news that Bob Rae has said he will not run for permanent leader. |
Perhaps the best thing that could have happened to the Liberals.
It puts a tremendous amount of pressure on Trudeau to run, and now that I dont need to join the Liberals to select who runs their party in 2015 he certainly has my vote. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:30 am Post subject: |
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| With Trudeau as leader he might be able to draft some well experienced star candidates who could compensate for his inexperience in some areas, or rather most. |
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