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 Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 9:37 am Post subject: |
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Who can win Quebec? Who's more popular than Mulcair?
Line Beauchamp, Nathalie Normandeau, Jean-Marc Fournier, Jean Charest, Marc Garneau, Stephane Dion?
Quebec won't vote for a non-Quebecker. |
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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Is Mulcair popular because he is genuinely loved by Quebec voters, or simply because he is the only Quebec leader who can be a viable alternative to Harper?
Dion was hated because of the clarity act, and Martin and Chrétien fared better but not by a massive margin.
Quebec needs someone who they truly feel is a native son who gets "it".
If you want my crazy shot in the dark answer;
Mario Dumont.
He was a former separatist so clearly he understands why Quebec felt alienated, who has reformed his stance on the issue.
A wonderful speaker, a popular TV host, a respected politician, a former President of the Liberal Party of Quebec youth wing, and a guy who has some fiscal conservative tendencies. |
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| I think Dumont is great but probably controversial outside of Canada. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:27 am Post subject: |
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| Progressive Tory wrote: | | I think Dumont is great but probably controversial outside of Canada. |
Perhaps;
But right now we are talking about a party with 35 seats, and 25 of them pretty safe.
The Liberals need a wholesale addition to their caucus and even if you lose 10x seats Canada wide you could potentially gain 40 in Quebec.
It gives you back your fundraising core, and lets you go hard after the next election. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:49 am Post subject: |
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| I guess over the summer we will start seeing people announce. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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While I think the Liberals, and all parties for that matter, need key policies that are staples for them no matter who the leader is, after just reading an article from when Ignatieff became leader I realize what the party really needs is to allow their leader to be him or herself.
I was shocked to read that after Ignatieff became leader he was asked what a government led by him would do in their first 100 days in office. He said his government would cut personal taxes for low and middle income Canadians to boost their spending power, overhaul the EI system and streamline the paperwork jobless workers face and consult with mayor to find out what infrastructure projects they want done.
Seems a bit different then the tax and spend platform he released. |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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Jonathan Mousley has a website announcing his candidacy.
http://www.mousley.ca/ |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:36 am Post subject: |
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| Progressive Tory wrote: | While I think the Liberals, and all parties for that matter, need key policies that are staples for them no matter who the leader is, after just reading an article from when Ignatieff became leader I realize what the party really needs is to allow their leader to be him or herself.
I was shocked to read that after Ignatieff became leader he was asked what a government led by him would do in their first 100 days in office. He said his government would cut personal taxes for low and middle income Canadians to boost their spending power, overhaul the EI system and streamline the paperwork jobless workers face and consult with mayor to find out what infrastructure projects they want done.
Seems a bit different then the tax and spend platform he released. |
I think this is a problem in general with Liberal HQ;
Paul Martin was a likeable guy who had policies that I generally agreed with, then we get into the context of an election where my party (the PC's) no longer existed and I was forced to make a choice.
He opted to go center-ish in 2004, and left in 2006.
What is a Conservative to do?
We can find some of my posts from 2006 where I commented that Iggy was the biggest threat to Harper because he was well spoken and generally pretty darn Conservative on fiscal issues but also foreign affairs issues.
He becomes leader in 2009 and gets neutered.
The guy who held some degree of appeal in 2006 didn't show up again till his speech announcing he was stepping down as leader in May 2011.
The Liberals who run the party in Toronto HQ need to realize they don't appeal to the masses anymore, and taking a leader who might and molding them into their own image will result in what we saw in May over and over again. |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:51 am Post subject: |
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| Well Trudeau is supposedly running so lets see what the Toronto elite do to him. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:46 am Post subject: |
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| Progressive Tory wrote: | | Well Trudeau is supposedly running so lets see what the Toronto elite do to him. |
There could be no greater gift to me as a Conservative then a Liberal Party led by Justin Trudeau in 2015.
The Liberals and NDP would not only be in the same space politically, but would also be battling over Quebec which is a Province the CPC doesn't need in order to form majorities, especially after the Fair Representation Act. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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| cosmostein wrote: | | Progressive Tory wrote: | | Well Trudeau is supposedly running so lets see what the Toronto elite do to him. |
There could be no greater gift to me as a Conservative then a Liberal Party led by Justin Trudeau in 2015.
The Liberals and NDP would not only be in the same space politically, but would also be battling over Quebec which is a Province the CPC doesn't need in order to form majorities, especially after the Fair Representation Act. |
I don't find he has great political smarts but he's an amazing speaker and very charismatic. While I don't think he's the best choice for them it would be very interesting to see how he would do. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:17 am Post subject: |
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| They deserve to die of they select him. If the grassroots who use twitter is any indication of how the overall grassroots feels about Bob Rae then he will have a fight on his hands to win. If the younger generation who got Mike Crawley elected president rally behind an Anyone But Bob candidate he may be doomed, though the new supporter category could help Rae. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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While Trudeau may seem like the greatest gift to the Conservatives he is popular in polling. A new Ipsos Reid poll, like most that have been done, shows that people have a favourable impression of him. Polls shouldn't be taken to seriously but the guy is obviously popular.
http://www.canada.com/news/Can.....story.html |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:39 am Post subject: |
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| Canadian voters tend to vote against someone, rather than for someone. With that in mind, when it comes time to vote the CPC out, would it not be prudent to have a viable centerist party to form a government instead of Mulcair's NDP. It is a mistake to attempt to destroy the party that most resembles the CPC because the pendulum will swing against Harper,- that is inevitable,- and without a strong Liberal Party, we will get Mulcair. |
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